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Bull Ring until 1920s
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maxwell bullivant
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Nice Photo Mike , i believe this was the First statue in the World erected in recognition of Lord Nelson. Max
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Wendy
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Thanks for the info John I love the painting it seems to have a certain atmosphere.......I wonder what it sold for!
At number 10 Bull Ring Cornelius Green's leather goods shop survived until the mid 1930's. (I can't work out where exactly number 10 was.) At the back of it was Golden Court with small houses and Pump Lodgings, named after the hand pump in the centre of the court. (Golden Court was where Sir Adrian Boult of BBC Symphony Orchestra fame rented a rehearsal room.)
The buildings were apparently located at the other end of an underground walkway that led directly into the church. Does anyone know anything about 'St Martins underground'?
My Dad told me about the tunnel and either it was widley known about at the time, or he picked it up from his father who had worked on plumbing in the area.
The buildings were apparently located at the other end of an underground walkway that led directly into the church. Does anyone know anything about 'St Martins underground'?
My Dad told me about the tunnel and either it was widley known about at the time, or he picked it up from his father who had worked on plumbing in the area.
Rupert
No 10 the Bull Ring is marked in red on the c 1910 map. I don’t know anything about a tunnel to the shop. However the report of the archeological excavations at St Martins did state that there was an access tunnel to a large chambered vault(Vault no 10) , probably constructed c 1785, . The position is shown in green on the map. The Town book is quoted as sayin that , at a vestry meeting it was resolved “that £10 be paid for every new vault situated in the passage leading to the Bull Ring. This is taken to refer to this passageway. As I understand it, they found no evidence that the passageway went further to another building, but who knows? A picture from the report of the passageway is given below
Mike
No 10 the Bull Ring is marked in red on the c 1910 map. I don’t know anything about a tunnel to the shop. However the report of the archeological excavations at St Martins did state that there was an access tunnel to a large chambered vault(Vault no 10) , probably constructed c 1785, . The position is shown in green on the map. The Town book is quoted as sayin that , at a vestry meeting it was resolved “that £10 be paid for every new vault situated in the passage leading to the Bull Ring. This is taken to refer to this passageway. As I understand it, they found no evidence that the passageway went further to another building, but who knows? A picture from the report of the passageway is given below
Mike
Thanks Mike.
I certainly didn't expect to see a photo!
The direction of the 1785 vault looks as though it would miss number 10. I wonder if it extended beyond the churchyard or even sideways. There might be some scope for considerable earnings for entropeneurial clergy at £10 a vault. If one passage was profitable there may have been more for the provion of vaults. When was the archeological study done that gives us the photo?
The quote from the town book might be taken to mean that the passage was already there, (before being used to privide for acess to new burial vaults). It may have been accessed from the churchyard or the outside of the churchyard wall just for burials but if it was already there and there was also another that appeared in the cellar of the shop I wonder why the church needed underground access to the Bull Ring? If the one marked in green extended further presumably it would surface somewhere in the shambles or even further up in the old market house building (prior to the market being cleared).
Once again thanks
I certainly didn't expect to see a photo!
The direction of the 1785 vault looks as though it would miss number 10. I wonder if it extended beyond the churchyard or even sideways. There might be some scope for considerable earnings for entropeneurial clergy at £10 a vault. If one passage was profitable there may have been more for the provion of vaults. When was the archeological study done that gives us the photo?
The quote from the town book might be taken to mean that the passage was already there, (before being used to privide for acess to new burial vaults). It may have been accessed from the churchyard or the outside of the churchyard wall just for burials but if it was already there and there was also another that appeared in the cellar of the shop I wonder why the church needed underground access to the Bull Ring? If the one marked in green extended further presumably it would surface somewhere in the shambles or even further up in the old market house building (prior to the market being cleared).
Once again thanks
The survery was done in 2001, when all the New Bullring was being built. It was a very full study, and uncovered 857 burials, analysing the bones and identifying a number of them, and recording grave memorial stones uncovered. the whole study (with CD of results) was published by Oxbow books as a book . I saw it in waterstones and snapped it up,and have never seen another copy anywhere, though i am sure the library has one.
mike
mike
The authors are Megan brickley , Simon buteaux, josephine adams, and richard Cherrington and others, and ISBN no is 1-84217-201-8
Abe books have copies, though, other than the cheapest, which is in the States, it seems to have gone up in price a bit since I bought it
mike
Abe books have copies, though, other than the cheapest, which is in the States, it seems to have gone up in price a bit since I bought it
mike
Aidan
master brummie
I think the Harborne based artist, David Cox, captured the essence of the view in around 1830 - see https://www.bmagprints.org.uk/image.php?id=407585 & https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Sa...678&pagename=BCC/Common/Wrapper/InlineWrapper
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Stitcher
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The Bull Ring in the eighteenth century, showing the High Cross on the right and 'The Shambles' or the butchers shops in the center.
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Wendy
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Carolina thats a lovely advert I have a photo of my grandmother in a hat like that. She always went to Miss Bretnalls in Birmingham.
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Stitcher
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Not a good photo but it might be of interest to someone.
It is the Flower Market in the Bull Ring in 1901.
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Stitcher
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This is Moat Row so it'sclose enough to be with the Bull Ring posts, I hope.
A water cress seller trying to keep her stock looking fresh in the open market in Moat Row. 1901.
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Stitcher
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1926.This picture of the Bull Ring is from todays newspaper.
I have sorted through a large number of old pictures of Birmingham and its suburbs. It has taken quite awhile but I have never seen this one before.
paul stacey
master brummie
An absolute "corker"!!, stitcher, and your right I would't think many had seen that photo before.
paul
paul
hi glad to see the bull ring on the thread stitch in the one seing the ice cream van and above the ramp you will see the old pub ;
my mrs and me ran that some years back; before going to the red lion in cheltham the bull ring was another world after dark beleive me
i have got a photo copy from a news paper cutting showing the senior mr jelf of the coffee houses brigade ;alonmg with his sons
and friends out side the place called the banna ovens i had mentionend before now it was taken from the old brumeon paper magerzine ;
in the thirtys i beleive ; all being well i will get my son to put it on this evening i think this was a coffee shop in the old jamica row
it states mr jelf with his sons and afew friends posing out side the property ; astonian;;
my mrs and me ran that some years back; before going to the red lion in cheltham the bull ring was another world after dark beleive me
i have got a photo copy from a news paper cutting showing the senior mr jelf of the coffee houses brigade ;alonmg with his sons
and friends out side the place called the banna ovens i had mentionend before now it was taken from the old brumeon paper magerzine ;
in the thirtys i beleive ; all being well i will get my son to put it on this evening i think this was a coffee shop in the old jamica row
it states mr jelf with his sons and afew friends posing out side the property ; astonian;;
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Elizabeth Redmond
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Attachment 79672 1926. Beautiful photo
