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Brummie Ghosts

Nicholas

master brummie
I've heard of the 'Tom King burned in Sutton Park' story before Big Gee, but can't even begin to suggest where this may have originated......!? (Burned!?!?)

Through looking into certain matters in the Stonnall region in the past - just 'up' from Aldridge / Walsall Wood, of course - I've come across snippets of info saying that Tom King was apparently born there.... in an old inn called The Welsh Harp!? (I believe this building is still extant, but hasn't been an inn for a long time now!?)
 

Big Gee

master brummie
I've heard of the 'Tom King burned in Sutton Park' story before Big Gee, but can't even begin to suggest where this may have originated......!? (Burned!?!?)

Through looking into certain matters in the Stonnall region in the past - just 'up' from Aldridge / Walsall Wood, of course - I've come across snippets of info saying that Tom King was apparently born there.... in an old inn called The Welsh Harp!? (I believe this building is still extant, but hasn't been an inn for a long time now!?)

Hi Nick,

Interesting tale. I know of two old (ish) buildings which used to be pubs in the general area you mention, but I don't know what they were called when they were still pulling pints. There is of course The Irish Harp where the Chester Road crosses Little Aston Road on the outskirts of Aldridge, but that's still very much up and running. However, I believe it's an old building. I thought of contacting the author of the book I mentioned, but I doubt if she's still alive. Nice little mystery, eh?

G
 

Big Gee

master brummie
Hi Nick,

I've done bit of 'research' and the only highwayman called Tom King that I can find operated around Epping Forest mostly and was an 'associate' of Dick Turpin. Both characters are mentioned in 'Rookwood' by Harrison Ainsworth. So where Betty Smith got her info about a highwayman called Tom King who came from Brum and was burned to death in Sutton Park, I honestly don't know. But you say you'd heard this story previously, so presumably there's something in it. Maybe a completely different Tom King, as has been suggested. Purely out of passing interest I'd love to know if anyone can add to this story.

G
 

Nicholas

master brummie
Hi Big Gee - I think a lot of these stories / names just get carried from place to place, don't they..... and these 'cock-eyed' associations crop up regularly? I know the Shire Oak region was WELL-KNOWN for being a bit dodgy, where highwaymen were concerned, in the past and, needless to say, Stonnall is just a stones throw away?

Re. the 'Burned in Sutton Park' story, I think this was mentioned in one of the Barrie Roberts / Anne Bradford collaborations (published by Quercus books), a couple of decades or so ago, so that info would just probably have been copied from some other source (such as the book by Betty Smith)
 

Smudger

master brummie
Hi Big Gee - I think a lot of these stories / names just get carried from place to place, don't they..... and these 'cock-eyed' associations crop up regularly? I know the Shire Oak region was WELL-KNOWN for being a bit dodgy, where highwaymen were concerned, in the past and, needless to say, Stonnall is just a stones throw away?

Re. the 'Burned in Sutton Park' story, I think this was mentioned in one of the Barrie Roberts / Anne Bradford collaborations (published by Quercus books), a couple of decades or so ago, so that info would just probably have been copied from some other source (such as the book by Betty Smith)
We didn`t burn to death highway robbers. They were hung drawn & quartered, much more civilised!
 

Ray T

master brummie
This is the matter I mentioned Ray T....

Almost 20 years ago now, a Birmingham household hit the National press with tales of 'ghostly goings on' in their, otherwise typical, Council home. It seems that the 'activity' concerned had initially started up some 5 or 6 months before media sources caught on to the story; that, in itself, something of a mistake, following the head of the household contacting a member of the local press - asking if they might suggest someone to help - and the reporter concerned allegedly 'ran an article' on the matter without permission!? (*The W.M.G.C. have also had this happen on a couple of occasions at least in the past, it has to be mentioned). In this instance, the 'interest' generated numerous press-related responses, TV requests and 'glossy' magazine appeals, etc.

Initial activity at the house - beginning in the July of the year in question, without any obvious stimuli(?) - seemed typically 'poltergeist' in fashion, consisting mainly of the, sometimes 'threatening', movement of objects, inexplicable messages being left and so on. In this particular case, events only really seemed to happen at night - seldom during the day - and ONLY occurred when the family head was around. Phenomena apparently travelled to the homes of other family members if he visited and mainly seems to have been restricted to the downstairs portion of their house....

Coincidentally - some 5 months after the activity began - an Aunt of the family involved saw one of our appeals in the local press for 'ghostly experiences' and the like and passed our contact details on. We received a phone call from the family, who filled us in on some of their experiences....

With regards to the movement of objects, it seems that - as in a lot of such cases - certain items seemed infinitely more 'popular' than others. In this case, one particular knife seemed a VERY active item indeed and was said to have always 'found its way out of places' where it had been purposefully hidden! Somewhat worryingly, this knife was sometimes discovered sticking out of a wall, or kitchen cupboard door on occasion! Other objects had regularly been found moved, smashed and stacked up in piles around the home. Paintings fell off walls, scissors, remote controls and other utensils thrown around..... and a spoon hit a family member hard in the shoulder!!

Quite typically, for some cases, 'strange messages' are said to have been left around the house at times, being discovered on mirrors and walls. The name of the family head had been discovered, written in washing up liquid in the bath! A visitor to the house has apparently left a piece of paper lying around and 'something' had 'written on it', while they weren't looking....!!

We were told that NUMEROUS sources had been approached for help with the matter.... everything from the local Council, to the clergy. The former had been asked for somewhere else to stay, until the problem could be sorted out..... so the family sought alternative intervention. A variety of local churches were called upon; self-styled 'exorcists' spoken to... and even the Mormons were asked for help! (The latter are said to have 'chanted' and just made the matter even worse!!) One local clergyman, who visited the property, advised the family to leave their home and no go back....

Intervention from psychic / mediumistic types suggested that the culprit for these goings-on was a relative of the head of the family, called 'Thomas', who had only recently died.... Typically - and perhaps quite conveniently - it was suggested by the same sources that 'Thomas' was, unfortunately, a completely 'unknown' relative to the household head....!! ('Thomas' was apparently identified as the 'haunting element' by two, separate, psychic sources..... though, of course, the 2nd may well have been aware of what the previous one had suggested!? It was stated that the 2nd had basically 'confirmed' that the entity was 'Thomas'!?) The second psychic, using a pendulum, is said to have openly asked 'Thomas' if he would be willing to 'go away' and leave the family in peace..... but the response was a resounding 'NO!' The pendulum used apparently 'went absolutely wild' in the process!

This latter, seemingly determined, standpoint was revised immediately afterwards, however, when - in the same conversation - the 'spirit' then decided that he would probably 'go away' if the family might learn a particular 'secret' about him and discuss the matter....!? Needless to say, this kind of, wholly unreasonable, reasoning is quite typical of alleged 'conversations with spirit' at times!! Thomas was seemingly unprepared to budge if this matter couldn't be settled as he'd asked. (*It's often suggested by various sources that we should never really 'trust what a spirit might say', as they are frequently found to be 'liars'.... However, if they're not, it could be accurately said that they ARE often found to be a momentous 'pain in the backside' at the very least!?)

A colourful series of events, Nicholas. But in my opinion, when knives start embedding themselves in walls, and "strange messages" appear when nobody's looking, then the perpetrators are more human than spirit. The notorious Enfield Haunting comes to mind as another example.

Regards, Ray T
 

Nicholas

master brummie
We didn`t burn to death highway robbers. They were hung drawn & quartered, much more civilised!

No..... I've never understood where the 'burning' idea came from at all, Smudger!? There was a 'Gibbet Hill' on the outskirts of Sutton - at Old Oscott - so he'd have been 'strung up there', if anywhere, I guess!? Laugh!!
 

Nicholas

master brummie
A colourful series of events, Nicholas. But in my opinion, when knives start embedding themselves in walls, and "strange messages" appear when nobody's looking, then the perpetrators are more human than spirit. The notorious Enfield Haunting comes to mind as another example.

Regards, Ray T

Well Ray T..... I did have a knife seemingly 'thrown at me' during a poltergeist investigation a few year ago, I must admit, but I'm 100% certain the incident had nothing at all to do with genuine, ghostly activity....!! Laugh!! The offending projectile literally 'skimmed my ear' - I genuinely felt the wind from it, as it passed by - but, when I turned, I wasn't at all surprised to find myself looking at the very person I'd suspected of 'being the poltergeist' all along, I don't mind saying!! Rolls eyes!! Laugh!!
 

Rano1982

New Member
I must admit that I've always thought this is something that has greatly aided me in research / investigation, Steve.... While I've always 'fancied' having some form of paranormal experience myself - purely for novelty reasons, I guess - my lack of experience in that particular quarter has always helped me to stay grounded and objective when looking at the subject, peoples experiences and so on. I'm not at all sure whether I could remain so 'middle of the road' if I had experienced something off my own, if you get what I mean?



NO Steve - don't ever apologise for relating things in detail....!!! The more we can glean about a subject the better, in my eyes, and some of us absolutely thrive on the bigger picture!! Laugh!!



Thanks for sharing your experience so fully Steve!! With regards to Sheldon Hall, it is indeed known as something of a 'haunted' building and has cropped up from time to time - over the years - in the local press. I had phoned the site in the past - enquiring about investigations and the likes - but, whoever I happen to have spoken to, always seem uninterested in such things, so we've invariably been 'turned down', sadly!? I've seen the place a couple of times - just driving by - but have never actually been into the building as yet!! It certainly LOOKS the part when it comes to 'haunted houses', doesn't it!? (We did carry out an investigation at a nearby pub.... I think it was called The White Hart, possibly, but it's been quite a few years ago now?)

With regards to your stepdads house - had you ever heard of any 'strange goings on' there before or maybe after your own encounter?

As to your ability to 'fall asleep' after such an unnerving encounter.... I have to admit that this is something I've heard numerous times before, with no real explanation!? Needless to say, you would imagine that sleep would have been near-on impossible after such an encounter, eh!? A close friend of mine says that he saw a transparent, monk-like figure in his bedroom one night while he was reading..... He's discussed the incident a number of times with me in recent years and the fact that he 'fell asleep' almost straight after seems to baffle him even more than the sighting itself....!? Laugh!!

Nick

That was the first and last time I ever stayed there LOL the following times I visited the property I only ventured downstairs!! And yes the fact that humans seem to be able to fall to sleep after traumatic incidents is a little worrying to say the least. I cant imagine having a car crash and then getting my head down whilst still in the vehicle but it did/does happen for some reason.
 

Nicholas

master brummie
And yes the fact that humans seem to be able to fall to sleep after traumatic incidents is a little worrying to say the least. I cant imagine having a car crash and then getting my head down whilst still in the vehicle but it did/does happen for some reason.

Having spoken to literally hundreds and hundreds of people about their encounters (over the years), it's often been stressed to me that the witnesses concerned were completely surprised by their own, 'mild' reactions to their experiences!? Personally speaking, I'm sure I'd do a fair bit of screaming, running, fainting and - most likely - 'pooping', if I saw anything strange..... but it does seem that a lot of people, somehow, don't feel even slightly inclined to indulge in any of the above, for whatever reason!?! Chuckle!!
 

Astonian

gone but not forgotten
well nick
its the same old stories that keep coming out time and time again ,
And hence what i say, seeing is beleiving and myself are a true beleiver in that saying
so unless i see it for myself ,i would not beleive it, and i personaly think that now in this moderen age
these spirits that excist which are far and in between with today moderen and fast living are far fewer
than our older years of yester years
also i believe its only a small percentage of the human race left now that have the gift of fore seeing them
Natuarly todays folk whom have not ever seen a ghost would think its cods wallop hence the lack of story experiences
one would say its left to ones imagination you are probaly tired and your eyes playing tricks or some think
the people whom never had the vision of experience would automaticicaly dismiss this
but i am a person with several expeirences of such visions in my life of spirits and that aint the drinking of them
you may also you may or not know of certain people like the media set these up and exploitation from other people whom are discourageing peoples mind by tricking people into thinking there is and there aint
there is a certain organisation in eversham whom does this sort of things
whom will convince you that you are seeing a spirit and i dont mean drinking spirits either
at the end of the day you beleive or you do not beleive
hence the saying if you have seen one your self you would probaly say yes i have seen one then you would question it
first then well yes its a ghost
i personally beleive so unless you have seen one a person would say yes they do
hence me saying seeing is beleiving Astonian,,,,,
 

Lady Penelope

master brummie
Well, here's my one and only, totally unexpected experience.

I was in the Vesey in Boldmere some years ago enjoying a meal with three other people. The Vesey is a Wetherspoon's pub, I believe it was a feed and grain store in an earlier life. I went to the loo. It's right down the bottom of a corridor and has a shiny brass plate on the door. As I pushed the door open, it was heavier than I thought and stuck a little, I felt someone almost cannon into me from behind (sort of like a rush of air) and caught a glimpse of a figure in the plate. I turned to apologise and there was nobody there. I was a bit shaken but told myself I'd imagined it and that the figure was me, not anyone behind me. Just me being daft. I went back to my seat and tried to forget it but on the way home realised that the figure had been dressed in black and white and I was in bright pink.

Some days later I mentioned it in passing to my daughter who immediately said 'Have you told K.....? He had a funny experience there.' I hadn't told anyone else till then but immediately rang him up. He has been sitting in the pub a while back and felt someone try to squeeze past the back of his chair. He mumbled 'Sorry' and tried to pull his chair closer to the table. His wife was sitting opposite and asked him what he was doing. He said that he was trying to let that person get through. His wife immediately replied 'Which person?' When K...... looked round there was obviously nobody there as his chair was firmly up against the wall.

As far as spectres are generally concerned I'm firmly on the fence. However, there are certain roads I hate driving
down (much to my family's amusement) not that I have ever had any experiences there - just don't like the atmosphere!
 

Nicholas

master brummie
Hi Astonian,

These days matey, I think it's a matter of people just 'moving too quickly throughout life' to give time towards dwelling on anything too 'phantasmal', if I'm honest.....!? Still - the supernatural (whatever that might actually be?) clearly comes forward and breaks through into our hectic, self-obsessed existence at times and give folk a good, old shake-up, eh!?! Laugh!!

What we DO actually see people getting involved with along these lines currently - stuff like the dreaded 'Most Haunted', the myriad, other TV offerings and commercial ghost hunting concerns, etc - is the 'silly' end of the overall spectrum....... so there's certainly no joy, from a serious / research point of view, there either....!? Rolls eyes!!
 

Nicholas

master brummie
Well, here's my one and only, totally unexpected experience.

I was in the Vesey in Boldmere some years ago enjoying a meal with three other people. The Vesey is a Wetherspoon's pub, I believe it was a feed and grain store in an earlier life. I went to the loo. It's right down the bottom of a corridor and has a shiny brass plate on the door. As I pushed the door open, it was heavier than I thought and stuck a little, I felt someone almost cannon into me from behind (sort of like a rush of air) and caught a glimpse of a figure in the plate. I turned to apologise and there was nobody there. I was a bit shaken but told myself I'd imagined it and that the figure was me, not anyone behind me. Just me being daft. I went back to my seat and tried to forget it but on the way home realised that the figure had been dressed in black and white and I was in bright pink.

Some days later I mentioned it in passing to my daughter who immediately said 'Have you told K.....? He had a funny experience there.' I hadn't told anyone else till then but immediately rang him up. He has been sitting in the pub a while back and felt someone try to squeeze past the back of his chair. He mumbled 'Sorry' and tried to pull his chair closer to the table. His wife was sitting opposite and asked him what he was doing. He said that he was trying to let that person get through. His wife immediately replied 'Which person?' When K...... looked round there was obviously nobody there as his chair was firmly up against the wall.

As far as spectres are generally concerned I'm firmly on the fence. However, there are certain roads I hate driving
down (much to my family's amusement) not that I have ever had any experiences there - just don't like the atmosphere!

Thank you very much for sharing your experience Lady Penelope!! I'm afraid I don't really know the place you refer to at all (despite having carried out some investigations in Boldmere, over the years), but would certainly like to try and 'check it out' with a view to finding if the site has a history of weird happenings, perhaps?
 

davesd1

knowlegable brummie
I know the heading is "Brummie ghosts"but would a Brummie in a mid-Wales mill house qualify?
Back in '95, we were renovating a cottage and managed to rent the mill house which was just a stones throw away, from the local farmer.
Myself and three builders were doing the work and while we were on the scaffolding my wife shouted that she was locked out of the mill.Two of us went down and true enough you couldn't open the door.Strangely enough you could just make out something against it through the frosted glass and after walking round to the kitchen window the setee was up against it.
The two of us managed to force the door,but when we came to put the setee back in the living room we had to remove the castors to get it through the door.
During our stay there we had electrical items switch themselves on at random,the favourite being the CD player.
My wife at the time was pregnant with our first son and one night went to bed early.I remember watching the TV and our cat was sitting in the middle of the room minding her own business when suddenly she started staring into the kitchen.
I was sitting two doorways away from the kitchen entrance and when she started hissing and spitting I must admit I was to say, concerned to put it politely.This turned to relief when she started to calm down.
We mentioned our experiences to our friends Pete and Jill who lived across the river and Pete had this idea of leaving a pack of cards on a shelf in the corridor behind the kitchen.
I didn't know why and didn't ask him either why he wanted to do this.
What happened next was incredible.The following morning cards were laid out onto the shelf spelling out "Pergyl" and "Babon" meaning baby and danger.
He took the cards away and I banned any more from being left.
One Sunday morning a man,woman and a lad around 12 years old were at the door and the man said that he had grown up in the village and this was his first visit back there in years.He said that he and our neighbour used to play in the house as children.I never thought it at the time but the neighbour was nearing eighty but this bloke looked in his forties????
Anyway,just to sum up,the CD player always used to play "Don't sit under the apple tree"(two in the garden).This disc never played again after leaving the mill just displayed two dashes on the player.
The letters torn from the card turned up in a cap off an aerosol can of all places and were promptly put on the fire.
Research of the village at a later date showed a number of children from the village school died from TB,was this the card warning.
I never mentioned May's childhood friend to her and I didn't tell the landlord farmer who I believe is living there now,but his sister asked us if we had experienced anything after she found out about us staying there,we said no.
Our son was born two months after we had moved out fit and well and one last thing which even my wife doesn't know because I never told her.
Why did my wife wake me up speaking fluent welsh whilst still asleep in the morning of our final day at the mill.
 

Lady Penelope

master brummie
Hi Nicholas, since posting my experience I spoke to a friend and she told me that there have been other unexplained happenings at the Vesey. Cutlery used to be 'mixed up' even though it had been sorted the night before among other things. Nothing mega, just little things like that. This was some time ago so I doubt if any of the same staff are still there now.
 

Nicholas

master brummie
I know the heading is "Brummie ghosts"but would a Brummie in a mid-Wales mill house qualify?

"All (stories) are welcome davesd1....... All (stories) are welcome.......!!!" Laugh!!

Thank you very much for sharing your experiences Davesd1....!! I do think that, sometimes, these older, more historic, properties should probably come with some sort of warning, eh!?

I've only ever investigated one historic mill, over the years..... a water mill.... coincidentally only a stones throw from the area being mentioned here by Lady Penelope!! Interestingly, most of the experiences there would seem to have been on a 'negative' nature too...... being mainly put down to a thoroughly nasty, old bloke that used to be one of the (more recent) resident millers!? While visiting the site one night, we were standing on the top floor of the mill when an acquaintance of mine said: 'Don't turn around... but there's an old chap sitting on the grain bins, watching us......' My friend was literally viewing the silent figure over my left shoulder, as I was facing him. We all stood stock-still for a while, my not wanting to move and potentially 'dissolve the scenario'....... but when I did eventually, tentatively, turn..... the old man had vanished!! (Typically!!) My friend described him as looking exactly like 'Fred Dibnah'...... overalls, flat cap and slightly 'rotund' appearance!! Laugh!!
 

patricia woolsey

knowlegable brummie
I think the shop I work in is haunted, I've often felt as if someone was putting their hand on my back but I turn around and nobody is there. It only happens when I'm at work
 

Astonian

gone but not forgotten
Hi Nicholas are you familiar with the couple whom run the spiritualist shop down on the high street Evesham
Or have you heard of Nicola Overton they do the ghost haunting they reckon they are good they reckon she is rated for her spiritulist as well
she as done Warwick castle as well and she produced photograhic pics of a little boy scurrying down on some steps going down below she sent them to Warick castle owners whom was impressed best wishes Astonian,,,
 
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