Yesterday I was walking along the canal from the Mailbox to Broad Steet when I noticed an old house standing on its own. Searching aerial maps and google street view I have come to the conclusion that this is at the entrance to the Premier Inn on Bridge Street. Can anyone tell me anything about this house and if I have got the correct building. Thanks.
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Bridge Street/holliday Street Old House
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Hi Lyn. Yes it absolutely fascinated me. From the canal it just stuck out amongst all the modern buildings. I've been trying to pin-point it on the census........???? It still must belong to someone otherwise the council would surely have knocked it down when re-developing?. Vanessa
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hi brumgum i find the pics on google but because i dont know how i have to get my son to save them to my pc then i post them on here...i really must get him to show me step by step how to do that..
lyn
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:redface: I never had a son so this means i'm stumped:dejection:
so glad ive got a son brumgrum..if i had not i doubt i would be able to turn a computer on lol...when i get the hang of saving google st pics i will let you know how to do it unless of course someone else could tell us as my son does it that fast i cant take it in..
lyn
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Does any of this info help?
Not sure, but expanding on Phil's suggestion it was probably the Incorporated Seamens' & Boatmens' Friendly Society Boatmens' Mission Hall or later Bridge Street Boatmen's Hall.
It was discussed here in post #129 and #130. https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4054&page=9
Below is an extract from CaptainAhabsWateryTales site listing the Missions by Gas Street.
And also details of the Boatmen's missions from the British History Online site.
Viv.
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Not sure, but expanding on Phil's suggestion it was probably the Incorporated Seamens' & Boatmens' Friendly Society Boatmens' Mission Hall or later Bridge Street Boatmen's Hall.
It was discussed here in post #129 and #130. https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4054&page=9
Below is an extract from CaptainAhabsWateryTales site listing the Missions by Gas Street.
And also details of the Boatmen's missions from the British History Online site.
Viv.
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No it is not the boatman's mission hall as this was on the opposite side of the street, as can be seen below. The houses we are talking about are in red ion this c 1889 map. there was an earlier mission, but the reason the new one (seen on the map) had to be built was because the old one was demolished for something else to be built on the site
But again wondering what this building actually was. The rear looks industrial and the frontages have too many windows to be cottages. It does look like it had some other purpose. Was it some sort of offices related to canal transportation? Or maybe it was part of an industrial complex. This was once a very industrialised area with the Aetna glassworks and Cadbury's at one time. Or maybe it was part of those saw mills on Mike's 1889 map. Just pondering, as you do! Viv.
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There seems to be a wall along the side of the sawmills , between them and the "cottages", so it would seem unlikely, but not impossible, that they were part of the sawmill. Pigott's 1828 map and the 1839 map would both seem to show the area as all part of the canal wharf, and there is a building which might be the one in which we are interested, but the scale is smaller and it does not look to be quite at the right angle, but this may be due to the smaller scale. These would indicate that they were part of the wharf complex. As it was close to the entrance, perhaps it was a gatehouse building. I have been unable to find any early drawings or pictures of the wharf
Phil
It has certainly come up on one forum, and I think it was htis one, though cannot be absolutely certain. I have a few notes, and the original enquiry seems to have come from "Lynn", who had visited the registry office and noticed it.and photographed it (though i cannot find a copy of the photo. I don't know if that should havebeen "Lyn" (Astoness) or another. Perhaps Lyn could enlighten us.
My comments at the time were:
I have the Boatmans Mission pinned on the opposite corner of Bridge St. I think that information came from Peter Walker who used that building I think. The wonderfull old building shown was not on Bridge St itself but rather the lane/path between Worcester Wharf and the stables on Holiday St. In the old days, before the Bolinder, that lane would have been trod by the barge horses and boatmen at the start and end of a journey to and from Worcester and other places. They would have walked in front of that very building and it might have been something to do with the canal.
It has certainly come up on one forum, and I think it was htis one, though cannot be absolutely certain. I have a few notes, and the original enquiry seems to have come from "Lynn", who had visited the registry office and noticed it.and photographed it (though i cannot find a copy of the photo. I don't know if that should havebeen "Lyn" (Astoness) or another. Perhaps Lyn could enlighten us.
My comments at the time were:
I have the Boatmans Mission pinned on the opposite corner of Bridge St. I think that information came from Peter Walker who used that building I think. The wonderfull old building shown was not on Bridge St itself but rather the lane/path between Worcester Wharf and the stables on Holiday St. In the old days, before the Bolinder, that lane would have been trod by the barge horses and boatmen at the start and end of a journey to and from Worcester and other places. They would have walked in front of that very building and it might have been something to do with the canal.
hi mike yes it was me who took photos of that building when visiting the register office...think it was before the forum was hacked so the pics i took would have been lost at least we have the google shots of it...i did try to get a look at the side of the building and im sure there were out houses of some sort...must try to get up there soon and take a better look at it again...
lyn
lyn
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Nothing under "Bridge" or "Holliday" on either this list https://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/england/birmingham/birmingham or the list on the Council's website.
Polypops, there are several inns listed under Holliday Street, but Mike is perhaps more familiar with the exact locations of these.
Maurice
Polypops, there are several inns listed under Holliday Street, but Mike is perhaps more familiar with the exact locations of these.
Maurice
Not sure Pollypops, could be although I keep being swayed by the more industrial look about it. Had a look at the 1839 map you mentioned Mike and see what you mean, in that it doesn't quite tally. And at a guess I'd say the existing building might be a bit later, or the earlier one externally altered. The Worcester & Birmingham Canal Companys Wharf marked on the 1839 map looks to occupy a large section of land between Bridge Street and the Canal. Given that this was the 'terminus', I'd put my money on the building having belonged to the Canal Co. I've checked out listed buildings too but can't find anything .. yet. Viv.
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And maybe could add this 1832 map which marks that whole piece of land as 'Wharf Office'. Does make you realise how much stuff was flowing through this part of the canal network. Must have been incredibly busy. V.
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mike do you think that lane/path/walk where the building is would have had a name to it...??
lyn
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It might have had, but i have not come accross any name.
Below is the section of th w1828 Pigot map. If you look carefully you can see the pavement going in slightly just north of the building which is in a similar position. This would probably be an entrance to the wharf, and is why I thought there was a possibilty of it being some form of gatehouse. the fact that it seems in a slughtly different position might just be due to the deficiences of the mapmaker.
It might have had, but i have not come accross any name.
Below is the section of th w1828 Pigot map. If you look carefully you can see the pavement going in slightly just north of the building which is in a similar position. This would probably be an entrance to the wharf, and is why I thought there was a possibilty of it being some form of gatehouse. the fact that it seems in a slughtly different position might just be due to the deficiences of the mapmaker.
