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Bethel

theodore

master brummie
Any information on Ernest Osborne Bethel, born 1885 abt. Birmingham. Enlisted in Worcestershire Regiment (Special Reserve) 1908. Elder sister named Emily and possible elder brother George S. I have not been able to find any census returns for 1911, 1891 or 1881 for this Bethel family. Did find registered death of Ernest O. Bethel for Sept. Q. 1950 Birmingham Vol. 9c p.269 aged 72 but this would make his date of birth around 1878 some 7 years before his army service papers given age would indicate. Have found no birth details for Ernest Osborne Bethel. Also spelt Ernest Osbourne Bethell on some papers.

Regards

Peter
 

smtr

master brummie
1881
17 Long Acre Aston
George Bethell B1851 Aston Pearl Button Turner
Elizabeth Bethell B1855 Leicester Wife
George Albert Bethell B1875 Bham son
Emily E bethell B1877 Bham daughter
Ernest A Bethell B1878 Bham son (looks on original that is could be an "O")
Frederick A Bethell B1881 Bham son
Also the Clarke family lodging with them

Suzanne
 

smtr

master brummie
1891
1 back 152 Long Acre nechells
James Bethell B1819 bham pearl button maker - grandfather - widower
G Bethell B1849 Bham pearl button maker - widower - father
G Bethell B1875 Bham son - painter
Elizabeth BethellB1877 Bham daughter (prob Emily E)
Ernest Bethell B1878 Bham son
Frederick Bethell B1880 Bham son

Suzanne
 

ladylinda

master brummie
Found the same as above.
Looks like George may have "married" again,though I can't find the marriage at the moment!
1901
Address: 8, (Hollies Buildings), Aston Lane, Aston Manor
George Bethel 54 born 1847 Birmingham,Pearl Button Turner
Julia Bethel,Wife aged 40 born 1861 Derby
George A Bethel,Son aged 26 born 1875 Birmingham,House Painter
Frederick A Bethel,Son aged 21 born 1880 Aston,Wood Sawyer
Albert Bethel Son aged 6 born 1895 Aston
Arthur Bethel Son aged 4 born 1897 Aston
Alice E Bethel Daughter aged 9 months born 1901 Aston
Elizabeth Devey, Step Daughter aged 14 born 1887 Birmingham
George Devey, Step Son aged 8 born 1893 Birmingham
Robert Houghton, Visitor Married aged 48 born 1853 Pearl Button Worker
Birmingham
 

smtr

master brummie
Electoral Rolls 9 Moor End Lane Erdington

1912 Ernest Bethel
1920 Ernest Osborne & Violet Bethel
1922 Ernest Osborne, Violet Bethel & Edward harvey Clarke
1925 Ernest Osborn & Violet bethel
1927 as above
1930 as above
1935 as above & John Joseph Bethel
1939 all as above & Bertram Lorraine & Frederick Ernest Bethel

Suzanne
 

ladylinda

master brummie
Ernest is at the same address with the family 10 years later (1911).Occupation of tube drawer.
George and Julia state married for 16 years (1895 ish)
 

theodore

master brummie
Hi Suzanne and Ladylinda,

Many thanks for your (very quick replies) to my posting.

If this is the the Bethel family I'm searching for then it would appear that Erneast was not altogether truthful about his age when he enlisted in the Special Reserve (Worcesters) for some reason. But this Ernest would be the same one I found a death record for (1950 aged 72) and on his service papers he gives his trade as that of Tube drawer (again this would fit with 1911 census). I know he married Violet Robinson (March Q. 1912, Aston) and they had a son John Joseph so again this would fit with the Electorial Rolls information. I think this must be the right Bethel family and your help is much appreciated.
I wonder why Ernest is missing from the 1901 census.

Regards

Peter
 
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