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Barton's Arms High Street Aston

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I'm looking for any information on The Bartons Arms in Aston prior to it's rebuild in the early 1900's.

Any information on owners or landlords or even staff would be appreciated as I can't find anything online about it.

Thanks
Vikki
 
Vikki

If you put Bartons Arms in the search box at the top of the page that will help you.:)
 
Thanks Alf, I'd already done that & came up with nothing before 1900.
 
The Bartons Arms

Vikki have you looked on the main site, John Houghton put a long article there some time ago, I can't recall all the details but it may help you.
 
Vikki, if you have any surnames you think may have owned the pub, you might be lucky if you request a search in the Kelly's section for the relevant dates.:)
 
sylviasayers said:
Vikki have you looked on the main site, John Houghton put a long article there some time ago, I can't recall all the details but it may help you.
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Hiya, yes I think I have seen that article. I have searched this site for weeks before posting & searched online where I can think.

Thanks though.
Vikki
 
Oisin said:
Vikki,

It would seem there are no records pre-dating its rebuild in 1900/1? Have a look here: https://tinyurl.com/ypfn86https://tinyurl.com/ypfn86
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hiya
I've read that page many a times as it happens lol, which is how I knew F S Poole sold the property in 1899.

F S Poole is not a name I am searching for.

I am probably on a wild goose chase on this, but the family story goes, that my great grandmother was done out of her inheritance by her brothers (now found she had no brothers but she did have uncles). Her mother died when she was a few years old and it looks as though she was brought up by her grandmother.

The other story goes that there was family money in The Barton Arms.

So imagine my surprise when I find out that the grandmother she lived with (in 1881) was called Sarah Barton & her uncles were Bartons.

It left me wondering if the 2 were connected.

But I can't seem to find any history on why it was called the Bartons Arms.

Like I say a wild goose chase, but I really want to find out I am wrong so I can stop looking lol.
 
Di.Poppitt said:
Vikki, if you have any surnames you think may have owned the pub, you might be lucky if you request a search in the Kelly's section for the relevant dates.:)
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I looked on there last night, but didn't spot anything relevant for the Bartons Arms. I didn't spot how to search with a surname though, will be looking again!
 
Vikki: Good luck with your search on the Bartons. My grandmother on my Mother's side was Laura Barton from the Witton area and there was always talk in the family about a connection with The Barton's Arms. My grandmother was born in, I think, the late l800's. I don't know anymore sadly since my Mother ditched all her Mother's relatives and I never met any of them.
 
jennyann said:
Vikki: Good luck with your search on the Bartons. My grandmother on my Mother's side was Laura Barton from the Witton area and there was always talk in the family about a connection with The Barton's Arms. My grandmother was born in, I think, the late l800's. I don't know anymore sadly since my Mother ditched all her Mother's relatives and I never met any of them.
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hi Jenny,
I've not yet come across a Laura Barton, but research has been hard on that line. Do you know your grandfathers name at all?
I would like to talk more about this if your interested?
Please IM me & I will send u my email.
Vikki
 
Barton's Arms

prior to 1900 the Barton's Arms was run by a Thomas Fulford research so far from 1868 to 1880 there were several Barton family's around at this time but none with connections to the Barton's Arms just up from Potters Lane was a field called Barton's field or wood just by Birch wood Rod is trying to confirm more about this area
prior to 1868 there was a Fulford family as brewsters in Aston and Birmingham reference Kelly's
 
I always find it facinating with adresses. I have a death certificate for my gt grandfather's sister Ann Wilks who died in 1880 she lived at back of 275 Farm Street. This would be the back house of Thomas Fulford. The other Jennings's lived at no's 229,236,231. I believe my great grandfather owned one of these houses.
 
John Houghton said:
prior to 1900 the Barton's Arms was run by a Thomas Fulford research so far from 1868 to 1880 there were several Barton family's around at this time but none with connections to the Barton's Arms just up from Potters Lane was a field called Barton's field or wood just by Birch wood Rod is trying to confirm more about this area
prior to 1868 there was a Fulford family as brewsters in Aston and Birmingham reference Kelly's
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excellant! I can rule out any connections to the Bartons Arms!

Thank you!
 
Thanks to everyone who has given me information, even if it still leaves the question as to where does the story come from lol
 
I wouldnt yet rule it out, a connection I mean. Genealogy has some very strange twists and turns.
 
I know my great grandfather, Charles George Smith, was licensee at the Barton's Arms in the early 1900's but not when. Does any one have a list of licensee's names? He also ran the roller skating rink at the Tower Ballroom for a few years.
 
Through the early 1900's Arthur Edge was publican? then in 1905 Seymour John Melhuish, and 1908 a guy called Henry Gomm. Maybe someone else has a Kellys showing your Grt Grandfather....
 
Looking again at Kellys I notice Arthur Edge is listed in more than one pub, the Acorn on Wheeler Street. Maybe he used your Grt Grandfather to manage the Bartons? this is a theory and needs more investigation. At least though its not so clear cut as I first thought Clarkey. Hope you can throw more light on it now. There is a archive I beleive kept at Burton on Trent I think for Mitchells and Butlers, this might be a way forward. Maybe getting in touch with one of the guys who have written about Birmingham pubs could be a another source of info?
 
The Barton Arms

from 1899 to 1950 no trace of a Charles Gordon Smith at the Barton Arms
have you any dates of birth or death for this person this would help in trying to pin point the date
 
Family stories tell of my great grandfather, a wealthy jeweller in the area, riding his horse to the pub on a Friday night, getting completely legless, and then falling off again on the way home. Unable to remount the horse in such a condition he'd ask a passing policeman for help and then give him a tip - sometimes a whole sovereign, which he'd then demand back the next day because it was a great deal more than was appropriate for the services provided! This became such a regular event, and as he was so well known locally, and so wealthy, they eventually renamed the pub after him. His name was Charles P Barton, born 1829, and he lived at Bearly Street West in the St Georges district.
 
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There was a Charles Barton at 71 (back of) Brearley Street West in the 1876 and 1880 directories . Previously to that (1873) he was in Ford St (no number given). I gather he was an albert chain maker. i had to look that up, but then realised my grandfather had one , the guard chain that fitted to a pocket watch.
Mike
 
hi tyger.. what an interesting story... you have put your gg grandfather lived in bearly st west but i think you must mean brearley st west... if that is correct i too had ancestors living there so if you type in brearley st in the search box at the top of the page i have posted some pictures that you may find of interest.

regards

astonesss.:)
 
update regarding The Barton Arms prior to 1900

Aston new town. 1840
Arnold Mr. William
Baker Mr. James
Bartlam Chas. grocer and brush maker
Barton Arms, William Aston
Batkin Mr
Britain J. G. inspector of fire arms
Cameron James, excise officer
Cooper Thomas, maltster
Duke Mr. William
Edwards Wm. steel converter, improved
music steel, steel & iron
wire manufacturer. (Aston furnace mills)
Fisher J, Britannia metal ware manufacturer
Gee Mr. Thomas, adjuster of small
scale beams
Greener Wm. gun manufacturer
Hall William, carpenter
Hall William, shopkeeper
Henshaw Mr
Hardin Mr
Holder & Rlchard, pearl button manufacturer-
(Potter's meadow)
Lees Mrs
Lee Mr. Thomas
Lees Mr. John
Little Thomas, boot & shoe maker
Low Mr
Lockitt John modeIIer
Manton Mr William
Roden William, rnaltster
Siviter John jeweller
Snape Samuel, accountant
Sherwood Mr
Treadwell G R rail road contractor
Tayler John, modeller
Whitehead Josh. cabinet maker
Whitehead Thomas, cabinet maker
Wrlght Mr. Charles
 
Vikki said:
I looked on there last night, but didn't spot anything relevant for the Bartons Arms. I didn't spot how to search with a surname though, will be looking again!
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Hi vicky, I saw you,r comments on the barton arms, I too have been trying to find info on the barton arms around 1886, I think my grt grandfather was a landlord there around that time, he's name was albion hart, oh and we used to live in dulwich road[small world eh]
 
Going back a very long time my grandad used to entertain in the Bartons Arms under the name Will Bent, he was a comedian. I wonder does anyone remember this.

I also remember that when my grandparents were living in Newtown there were two other pubs, The Griffin and the Paddocks.
 
well it would be from 1920's onwards until around the early 1970's by which time he was blind and deaf but still funny, real name Charles Bennett - my gran and her sisters used to sing there too, the Lewis girls.
 
its a pity this pic is so dark on the left hand side but it was taken in 1902...love this one..:)
 

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Great pic, I like the decorative wrought iron work on the lamps and tram cable support poles.
Phil...:)
 
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