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Barn Street Aston

ladylinda said:
For Simon
1911 at 4 Barn Street,
BURBAGE, William Head aged 34 born 1877 Birmingham,Fitters Labourer
BURBAGE, Jane Wife aged 33 born 1878 Birmingham
BURBAGE, Elsie Daughter aged 10 born 1901 School Birmingham
BURBAGE, William Son aged 8 born 1903 School Birmingham
BURBAGE, George Son aged 6 born 1905 School Birmingham
BURBAGE, Beatrice Daughter aged 4 born 1907 Birmingham
BURBAGE, Daniel Son aged 1 born 1910
Married 10 years (Jane Jukes married William Burbage Jun 1900)
House consisted of 3 rooms not counting scullery.Number 42 consisted of 4 rooms.
1912,1920,1922 at 42 Barn Street
William and Jane Burbage
1925 at 42 Barn Street,just Jane Burbage
1930 at 42 Barn Street
William,Jane,George and Beatrice May Burbage
1935 at 42 Barn Street
William,George and Daniel Burbage
1939 at 42 Barn Street
Arthur John Burbage

(In 1918 at 6 court 3 Liverpool Street
Daniel Burbage (M305062, M.T., A.S.C.)
1920,1922,1925,1930,1935 at 6 court 3 Liverpool Street
Daniel and Emma Burbage)
1911
JUKES, George Head aged 57 born 1854 Bham Warwickshire,Unemployed
JUKES, Elizabeth Wife aged 55 1856 born Manchester Lancashire,Pen Worker at Perrys And Co
JUKES, Henry Son aged 34 born 1877 Bham Warwickshire,Cycle Worker
JUKES, Robert Son aged 22 born 1889 Bham Warwickshire,Cycle Worker
JUKES, Elizabeth Daughter aged 20 born 1891 Bham Warwickshire,Brass Worker
JUKES, William Son aged 17 born 1894 Bham Warwickshire,Labourer
JUKES, Emily Daughter aged 15 born 1896 Bham Warwickshire,Press Worker
JUKES, Arthur Son aged 14 born 1897 Bham Warwickshire,Errand Boy
Married 36 years Address: 1 Bk 3 Barn Street (4 rooms)
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Lady Linda, I don't know where you get your fantastic information from but could you possibly find my great grandfather Joseph Savage who was living with his new wife Maria Sweet at 1 Court, 2 House, Barn Street, in 1902? I would be so grateful xxx:love_heart:
 
The information came from the census. these are only held every 10 years, so there was one in 1901 and another in 1911. He is not in 1911 living at the same house as you quote for 1902, and I have not found him by a simple search. Possibly his name has been corrupted while being abstracted, thus hindering the search.
 
someone on ancestry has the same family tree and they have - maria savage died in 1904. in 1911 joseph savage was living with one of his daughters and her husband phillip tunnicliffe 24, mary ann tunnicliffe 24, joseph savage (father) 48 widowed general dealer., and albert savage 9.
they were living 2a coleman st. aston.
 
following on, the family tree has info that joseph savage died 13 oct 1920 and had continued to live with his daughter and son-in-law, phillip and mary ann tunnicliffe at 5 may place, forster street, duddeston, nechells, bham. he was listed as a chemical manufacturers carter.
 
Joseph Savage is on 1871 census in Coleman Street.

no 7 Coleman Street
John Savage age 39 b Ireland
Arrabella age 30 b Ireland
John 11 b Ireland
Luke 9 b Ireland
James 6 b Ireland
Joseph 5 b. Birmingham
living with them is Johns widowed sister
Bridget Golding age 35 b Galway Ireland
all her children born Birmingham
Mary 5.Catherine 3,Julia 2,Thomas 6 months.

Joseph married Mary ann Turner in 1886 and she died in 1901 he then married Maria Sweet.
He is living with his daughter by Mary Ann turner in 1911.
 
Thankyou for that Shera, that is probably my tree you were looking at. I couldn't find Maria in 1901 but my great grandfather Joseph was still with my grandmother who died the same year. I just can't find Maria anywhere before 02. x
 
Thank you for taking the trouble Mike. I just haven't been able to place Maria anywhere before 1902. xx
 
There is a maria sweet on the 1891 census living as a lodger with william and emily newman at 3 oxford place inkerman st, occ. press worker.
 
It's cool to find this thread. My ancestors Joseph Chapman and Ann Higgins(Chapman) were both born in Sheffield but the 1841 census has them living on Barn Street with their four daughters (they also had one son who was born in Birmingham after the census). Joseph was an Anvil Smith (a maker of anvils). The 1851 census and all subsequent censuses shows the family back in Sheffield without any of the 4 daughters. It's just possible that the oldest daughter is living elsewhere either married or as a servant but I'm assuming that at least 3 of the girls died. I'm wondering:
a) What might have killed off the children? Could it have been connected to any particular type of manufacturing that dominated this area at that time?
b) I don't know, but I'm assuming they could have got from Birmingham to Sheffield in the 1840s by train but how would the family have got from Sheffield to Birmingham in the late 1830s? How long would it have taken? It seems like a huge journey in pre-train days.

(The couple had several kids on retun to Sheffield, most of whom seem to have survived into adulthood)
 
Graham Beddows said:
Memebers of my family during 1850 - 1890, lived in various house in Barn Street and what would haved been the back-back houses listed in census records as courts.
I'm trying to find any old photographs of the the road or courts, can anyone help.
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Graham Beddows said:
Hi Astoness,
Thanks for your reply. The best I can trace is actually in what is digbeth, close to the dogs home. It also runs off Milk street. My Grandad lived in Barn Street and married a girl from milk street. Almost neighbours, I guess.
These address get confusing as they seem to be often miss spelt and the districts change
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I am looking for help please. One of my ancestors Carey Burton (1802-1878) was a shopkeeper at 45 Barn Street, Birmingham from at least 1841 until her death in 1878. She never married, nor did her sister Jemima Burton (b1808) who lived with her and presumably worked in the shop with her. This is not specifically a genealogy enquiry because I already know quite a lot about the family although anything related would be a bonus. Their father was Joseph Burton (1768-1841), a metal button turner originally of Cook St, St Phillip's, but latterly of Barn Street. Nor is this a request to check trade directories because I have already done that and she appears in many. My hope is that somebody will be able to put some "flesh on the bones". For example shopkeeper, but what type? Any old photographs of 45 Barn Street? I have looked it upon Google maps and it now looks like typical east Birmingham "light industrial" use
 
This may of be some help. On her death the shop is described as a provision shop. These small local shops were common at this time, and indeed up till just after WW2

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Jason Ellis said:
I am looking for help please. One of my ancestors Carey Burton (1802-1878) was a shopkeeper at 45 Barn Street, Birmingham from at least 1841 until her death in 1878. She never married, nor did her sister Jemima Burton (b1808) who lived with her and presumably worked in the shop with her. This is not specifically a genealogy enquiry because I already know quite a lot about the family although anything related would be a bonus. Their father was Joseph Burton (1768-1841), a metal button turner originally of Cook St, St Phillip's, but latterly of Barn Street. Nor is this a request to check trade directories because I have already done that and she appears in many. My hope is that somebody will be able to put some "flesh on the bones". For example shopkeeper, but what type? Any old photographs of 45 Barn Street? I have looked it upon Google maps and it now looks like typical east Birmingham "light industrial" use
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Hi I am trying to find the location of Little Barn Street in Birmingham.
Any help would be appreciated
 
Can't find a Little Barn St. Found a Little Ann Street that has a junction with Barn St.
 
The record is from a burial in the chapelry of st Mary Birmingham and it definitely has her address as Little followed by what really looks like barn street.
 
It ran between Great Barr St & Watery Lane in Bordesley. Not very close to St Mary's but that doesn't mean much.
 
mikejee said:
This may of be some help. On her death the shop is described as a provision shop. These small local shops were common at this time, and indeed up till just after WW2

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Hi Mikjee (or anybody else who may be able to help).

From the excellent information you provided I can now speculate that the "provision shop" at 45 Barn Street, Deritend was probably started by Carey Burton's father, Joseph Burton in about 1835 (based upon the "carried on for 43 years"). He had previously been a metal button turner but as he would be aged 67 in 1835 it could easily be that he just created the shop in the front room of his house to provide some income (or a job for his daughters?) The 1841 census names him as a "provisions dealer" of Barn Street and he died later in 1841 at Barn Street, which is presumably when his daughter Carey took over.

Do you have any information such as directory entries or newspaper article for Joseph Burton at 45 Barn Street please?

Jason
 
There were indeed many small shops started in front rooms. I can remember (not Birmingham) two in the street I was born in in the 1940s and 1950s
Joseph Burton is listed in Pigot's directory at 45 Barn St as a shopkeeper. Earlier Wrightson's directpries do not seem to include many smaller businesses and he is not mentioned in them.
After that:
From 1845 till 1876 Carey Burton ,shopkeeper is listed at no 45 Barn St.
In 1878 directory Teh occupant is Mrs Elizabeth Freeman, shopkeeper
 
mikejee said:
There were indeed many small shops started in front rooms. I can remember (not Birmingham) two in the street I was born in in the 1940s and 1950s
Joseph Burton is listed in Pigot's directory at 45 Barn St as a shopkeeper. Earlier Wrightson's directpries do not seem to include many smaller businesses and he is not mentioned in them.
After that:
From 1845 till 1876 Carey Burton ,shopkeeper is listed at no 45 Barn St.
In 1878 directory Teh occupant is Mrs Elizabeth Freeman, shopkeeper
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Mikejee,

Thank you very much. Sorry to be pedantic, but what year is the Piggot's directory entry for Joseph Burton?

Jason
 
Sorry. the Pigot directory was 1841. However this was the publication date and we cannot be sure when the survey was conducted. It would probably have been the year before.
 
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