Augusta Street Jewellery Quarter

[Astoness]

 

[stars]

A great picture Lyn, well done for all your posting

Stars

 

[Astoness]

same to you stars...every little helps...

lyn..x

 

[leslam]

Lovely
Thank you Lyn. I have been hoping for a picture of this since 2009 (see https://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21081&highlight=Augusta+Street)
Any others hiding out there? I am specifically looking for the end nearest Warstone Lane - number 1 I think (but I need to check)

[I'll close my old thread to avoid confusion]

 

[stars]

Hi Leslam
I came across this one which has probably been posted before.

Regards Stars

Regards stars

 

[leslam]

That's interesting - thanks. I think that I have seen it from a slightly different angle - is the premises at the left Gaunt?
What sort of date would this be do you think?

 

[Astoness]

hi lesley my pic is a repost from some months back now...dated about 1898 i think..will go and look at your link to see exactley what pics you are after..

lyn

 

[stars]

Hi
I am not sure of the date, I have looked close and to the left is some kind of printing firm and to the right it looks like ? and Hoggets, something like that.

Perhaps mike can help. Stars

 

[Astoness]

lesley ive just looked at that link...confused me a little which is not too difficult lol...are you looking for pics of no 1 or no 19 augusta st...is it a jeweller company as i do have a load of old carl chinn mags here and there are quite a few pics of the jewellery quarter...i dont mind shifting through them again over the weekend..

lyn

 

[Astoness]

stars i thought your pic had a look of the great phylis nickin about it so ive just been onto her photo site....lesley the date is 1967

 

[leslam]

That's interesting - thanks, it's a lovely picture

I've just checked - I am particular in number 1 Augusta Street.

The son in the family had started a small habadashary/button/decorative pin type business and they lived above it in 1871 - 10 years later they were living esewhere although stayed in the same occupation type.

 

[Astoness]

ok lesley i will see if i can find a pic of no 1 then...just one last question would there have been a name over the door of the business...

 

[mikejee]

Have looked in the nicklin collection and it seems to be the same almost as one in the collection, but slightly cropped and adjusted technically a bit . The accompanying blurb is:
Photograph of Augusta Street in the Jewellery Quarter. The plate at number 6 reads ""Wark and Hodgetts, Polishers and Platers to the trade""; at number 7 ""H.T. Cliff and Co., Goldsmiths and Silversmiths""; at number 8 ""Gaunt, Finishers of precious metals etc."" Padlocks and bars on doors can be seen, as well as burglar alarms. The photograph was taken in early 1967.
Nicklin copy is at https://epapers.bham.ac.uk/337/1/bb0166.jpg
Mike

 

[leslam]

Ah, that I don't know. In 1871 the occupants were called Lambourne, but after that, I dont now if the busines stayed ther, but number 1 doesn't appear on the 1881 census.

Oo, that photo is very close by then In fact, the Gaunts may be related as there are numerous Gaunts in the wider family

 

[mikejee]

1 augusta St from directories
1872-73 Osborne James, jeweller, gold ring maker
1876 Samuel Metcalf goldsmith
1878 and immediately after it seems to be combined with no 2 and has a number of occupants (not unusual in the jewellery quarter)

 

[leslam]

That's brilliant Mike. I knew that they must have moved out before 1878 as I have a rental agreement for them for a house in Spring Rd, Edgbaston

 

[simonwpb]

Hi, I am new to the Forum, I joined for my family history research.

Interestingly I just came across Samuel Metcalf, master jeweller yesterday. he was a jeweller in 1861-1881 censuses, after which he became a fruiterer in 1891-1901. He was referenced on a military attestation as a place where Thomas Gent was an apprentice silversmith.

Do you know approx how many jewellers there were in the district?

Simon

 

[Shortie]

From what I have read, about 7000 in 1900. Just a few.

Augusta Street is in what has been known for a long time as the Jewllery Quarter although originally it was the Jewellers Quarter.

Shortie

 

[DavidGrain]

Hi, Do you know approx how many jewellers there were in the district?

Simon

Many people working in the jewellery quaarter were independant craftsmen renting a work bench in a work shop where there were many others sharing the premises. Each had his own specialist occupation. So really the answer to your question is: It depends..

 

[Laura-Jen]

Hi all I know this is an old thread, my great great grandfather worked at number 6 when it was JB McCoy (James Bennett McCoy). But I also have a query about number 23 as I have a photo of my great great grandmother as a child stamped on the back at this address included in the stamp is the name Morris, I’m presuming this is also a business. I’ve attached my photo

 

[mikejee]

Laura
what years are we talking about. Havbe looked in Kellys fo 1890 and 1880 , and McCoy are not at no 6 then. If you say about when I can do a closer search

 

[Laura-Jen]

Laura
what years are we talking about. Havbe looked in Kellys fo 1890 and 1880 , and McCoy are not at no 6 then. If you say about when I can do a closer search

The picture is about 1897 and Edwin worked at MCCoy in 1917

 

[mikejee]

In the 1915 Kellys J.B.McCoy is at no 6. No 23 is listed with five tenants: S.Harold & Co, gen ring makers; Stanley Porter & Co, accountants; Thomas William bird, watch repairer; Austin & Cranfield, watch repairers & Ernest John Hill, chaser. In 1921 all of no 23 is occupied by S.Harold & Co

 

[mikejee]

Sorry. In 1897 the occupants of no 23 were: Evans & Co, jewellers; Edward Lacey, jewell case maker; Charles Foster, gem setter & Thomas Townsend, electroplater

 

[Laura-Jen]

Sorry. In 1897 the occupants of no 23 were: Evans & Co, jewellers; Edward Lacey, jewell case maker; Charles Foster, gem setter & Thomas Townsend, electroplater

Thank you for looking for me, that has just thrown up another possible family connection though, her older sister married a Lacey, thank you again

 

[Dave C]

Thank you for looking for me, that has just thrown up another possible family connection though, her older sister married a Lacey, thank you again

just noticed this, my Laceys were Gilt Toy Makers and Jewellers in Brum, although they came originally from Worcestershire. Is the name George Lacey born 1838 a possible connection? Cheers Dave

 

[Keith Lacey]

Good morning. I have a contact via ancestry where we are trying to find a link between her laceys in birmingham and mine mostly in london and essex. Kim Rumpsa in Missouri USA on, her tree has George Lacey born abt 1806 Bronington Worcestershire, died 1881 lived 40 navigation street Birmingham.
census of 1851 says gilt toy with Sarah Wainright born abt 1818 married 1836.

Their son George born 1838, along with father and mother and grandchildren on the census of 1881, 40 navigation street says dad still a jeweller aged 75. son George and grandkids in the trade with one a clockmaker.
Would you like me to put you both in contact? She is obviously a distance relation of yours. Details of census etc below.
regards

Keith Lacey


George
Last nameLacey
Name note-
Marriage year1836
Marriage date15 Aug 1836
Marriage placeEdgbaston
Spouse's first name(s)Sarah
Spouse's last nameWainwright
Spouse's age-
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Record setEngland Marriages 1538-1973
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records


Census 1861 in 40, Navigation Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceyHeadMarriedMale551806...Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
SarahLaceyWifeMarriedFemale441831...Birmingham, Warwickshire, England



Census 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Navigation Street, Saint Thomases Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLacyHeadMarriedMale451806Gilt ToyBronington, Worcestershire, England
SarahLacyWifeMarriedFemale---Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLacySonUnmarriedMale121839Errand BoyBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
George Lacy's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacy
RelationshipHead
Marital statusMarried
SexMale
Age45
Birth year1806
OccupationGilt Toy
Birth placeEngland
Birth townBronington
Birth town as transcribedBronington
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWorcestershire
StreetNavigation Street
TownBirmingham


Census 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Navigation Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceyHead-Male641807-Worcestershire, England
SarahLaceyWife-Female531818-Warwickshire, England
George Lacey's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
RelationshipHead
Marital status-
SexMale
Age64
Birth year1807
Occupation-
Birth town-
Birth placeEngland
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWORCESTERSHIRE
House name-
StreetNavigation Street
ParishBirmingham
TownSt Thomas
CityBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire

Census 1881 with son and grandchildren

GeorgeLaceyHeadMarriedMale751806JewellerBromsgrove, Worcestershire, England
SarahLaceyWifeMarriedFemale631818-Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceySonWidowerMale421839JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Francis HLaceyGrand SonSingleMale181863JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Arthur JLaceyGrand SonSingleMale161865JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Frederick TLaceyGrand SonSingleMale141867Clock MakerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ada LLaceyGrand DaughterSingleFemale121869ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
AlbertLaceyGrand SonSingleMale101871ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
HerbertLaceyGrand SonSingleMale81873ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
CharlesLaceyGrand SonSingleMale31878-Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

George Lacey's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
RelationshipHead
Marital statusMarried
SexMale
Age75
Birth year1806
Birth townBromsgrove
Birth town as transcribedBROMSGROVE
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWORCESTERSHIRE
Birth placeEngland
OccupationJeweller
House number40
StreetNavigation Street
Town-
ParishBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Registration district


George Lacey burial, Warstone Lane Cemetery Birmingham

First name(s)George Lacey
Birth year-
Death year1881
Burial year1881
CemeteryBirmingham, Warstone Lane Cemetery
Number in grave3
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Family history society contacthttps://midland-ancestors.shop/BIRM-Cemeteries
Source
Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record setWarwickshire Burials


Son George jnr Birth
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
GenderMale
Birth year1838
Birth place-
Baptism year1838
Baptism date22 Oct 1838
PlaceBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Father's first name(s)George
Father's last nameLacey
Mother's first name(s)Sarah
Mother's last name-
Record setEngland Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


son George married Louisa Corbett

George Lacey
Age24
Marriage year1862
Marriage date03 Nov 1862
Marriage placeBordesley
Father's first name(s)George
Father's last nameLacey
Spouse's first name(s)Louisa
Spouse's last nameCorbett
Spouse's age20
Spouse's birth year1842
Spouse's birth date1842
Spouse's father's first name(s)Thomas
Spouse's father's last nameCorbett
ResidenceBordesley, Warwick, England
CountyWarwickshire

2nd marriage ?
First name(s)GEORGE THOMAS married Elizabeth Bragg
Last nameLACEY
Marriage quarter3
Marriage year1900
DistrictWest Bromwich
CountyStaffordshire
CountryEngland
Volume6B
Volume as transcribed6B
Page number1490
Record setEngland & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

OR
GEORGE LACEY married Clara Elizabeth Macfee
Marriage quarter1
Marriage year1873
GEORGE LACEY married Clara Elizabeth Macfee
DistrictBirmingham
District number-
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Volume6D
Volume as transcribed6D
Page number190 Record setEngland & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

 

[mikejee]

Kieth.
Have looked at soem directories and the following may be of interest. (Note date is publication date and actual survey date likely to be earlier , at this time possibly more than 1 year):
1858 Dix's directory Listed at 40 Navigation st, no trade given. At this time he would have been of some importance if listed just as a home address.
1862 Corporation directory. Listed as solderer at 40 Navigation st
1867 and 1868 Post Office directory. A George Lacey listed at 43 Navigation st as a greengrocer
1872 PO directory A George Lacey listed at 75 Navigation st as a hosier
1873 Whites directory . A george Lacey at 75 navigation st. Gilt jeweller & hosier
1876 PO directory .Two George Laceys listed, presumably father & son:
40 navigation st, gilt toy solderer (note: "toys" at this time meant fancy items of dress/jewellery, eg buckles etc)
75 navigation st ,hosier
1878 PO directory Only John Lacey, gilt toy solderer at 40 navigation st. No 75 is another person who is a fruiterer
George continues as a gilt toy solderer till at least the 1884 edition, but has gone by 1888

 

[Keith Lacey]

Many thanks. Some tie in. I have the census pics for a few years showing 40 navigation st for George and som. George the elder died in 1888. Some of the elder grandchildren on the census 1881 seem to be involved in the trade.
every bit helps though. I will pass on to Kim in USA.

thanks

 

[Dave C]

Hi Keith

how interesting, yes, definitely the same family! My direct Great Grandfather was Francis Lacey, son of George Lacey Jnr as I call him, b 1838. It's an interesting line moving from the Bromsgrove area of Worcestershire to Birmingham where as you say they moved between Gilt Toys, Jewellery and Hosiery. I had seen the Greengrocerey reference but hadn't quite worked it out yet, although I am sure when times were hard anything was possible.

I have been taking a closer look at the Lacey side over the last couple of years and last year my wife and I travelled to the Malverns which as you will know are in Worcs, very beautiful and in many areas seemingly little changed from the time our Lacey/Caswell ancestors lived there.

Very happy to liaise directly with yourself and/or Kim to look at the connection more closely. Am I allowed to put an email address in here?? In any case my email address is [email protected] I am also on Facebook/Messenger if that is easier although but quite sure how to share that link.

Look forward to hearing from you and Kim,


Dave

Good morning. I have a contact via ancestry where we are trying to find a link between her laceys in birmingham and mine mostly in london and essex. Kim Rumpsa in Missouri USA on, her tree has George Lacey born abt 1806 Bronington Worcestershire, died 1881 lived 40 navigation street Birmingham.
census of 1851 says gilt toy with Sarah Wainright born abt 1818 married 1836.

Their son George born 1838, along with father and mother and grandchildren on the census of 1881, 40 navigation street says dad still a jeweller aged 75. son George and grandkids in the trade with one a clockmaker.
Would you like me to put you both in contact? She is obviously a distance relation of yours. Details of census etc below.
regards

Keith Lacey


George
Last nameLacey
Name note-
Marriage year1836
Marriage date15 Aug 1836
Marriage placeEdgbaston
Spouse's first name(s)Sarah
Spouse's last nameWainwright
Spouse's age-
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Record setEngland Marriages 1538-1973
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records


Census 1861 in 40, Navigation Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceyHeadMarriedMale551806...Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
SarahLaceyWifeMarriedFemale441831...Birmingham, Warwickshire, England



Census 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Navigation Street, Saint Thomases Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLacyHeadMarriedMale451806Gilt ToyBronington, Worcestershire, England
SarahLacyWifeMarriedFemale---Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLacySonUnmarriedMale121839Errand BoyBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
George Lacy's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacy
RelationshipHead
Marital statusMarried
SexMale
Age45
Birth year1806
OccupationGilt Toy
Birth placeEngland
Birth townBronington
Birth town as transcribedBronington
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWorcestershire
StreetNavigation Street
TownBirmingham


Census 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Navigation Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceyHead-Male641807-Worcestershire, England
SarahLaceyWife-Female531818-Warwickshire, England
George Lacey's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
RelationshipHead
Marital status-
SexMale
Age64
Birth year1807
Occupation-
Birth town-
Birth placeEngland
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWORCESTERSHIRE
House name-
StreetNavigation Street
ParishBirmingham
TownSt Thomas
CityBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire

Census 1881 with son and grandchildren

GeorgeLaceyHeadMarriedMale751806JewellerBromsgrove, Worcestershire, England
SarahLaceyWifeMarriedFemale631818-Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
GeorgeLaceySonWidowerMale421839JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Francis HLaceyGrand SonSingleMale181863JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Arthur JLaceyGrand SonSingleMale161865JewellerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Frederick TLaceyGrand SonSingleMale141867Clock MakerBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ada LLaceyGrand DaughterSingleFemale121869ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
AlbertLaceyGrand SonSingleMale101871ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
HerbertLaceyGrand SonSingleMale81873ScholarBirmingham, Warwickshire, England
CharlesLaceyGrand SonSingleMale31878-Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

George Lacey's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
RelationshipHead
Marital statusMarried
SexMale
Age75
Birth year1806
Birth townBromsgrove
Birth town as transcribedBROMSGROVE
Birth countyWorcestershire
Birth county as transcribedWORCESTERSHIRE
Birth placeEngland
OccupationJeweller
House number40
StreetNavigation Street
Town-
ParishBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Registration district


George Lacey burial, Warstone Lane Cemetery Birmingham

First name(s)George Lacey
Birth year-
Death year1881
Burial year1881
CemeteryBirmingham, Warstone Lane Cemetery
Number in grave3
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Family history society contacthttps://midland-ancestors.shop/BIRM-Cemeteries
Source
Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record setWarwickshire Burials


Son George jnr Birth
First name(s)George
Last nameLacey
GenderMale
Birth year1838
Birth place-
Baptism year1838
Baptism date22 Oct 1838
PlaceBirmingham
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Father's first name(s)George
Father's last nameLacey
Mother's first name(s)Sarah
Mother's last name-
Record setEngland Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


son George married Louisa Corbett

George Lacey
Age24
Marriage year1862
Marriage date03 Nov 1862
Marriage placeBordesley
Father's first name(s)George
Father's last nameLacey
Spouse's first name(s)Louisa
Spouse's last nameCorbett
Spouse's age20
Spouse's birth year1842
Spouse's birth date1842
Spouse's father's first name(s)Thomas
Spouse's father's last nameCorbett
ResidenceBordesley, Warwick, England
CountyWarwickshire

2nd marriage ?
First name(s)GEORGE THOMAS married Elizabeth Bragg
Last nameLACEY
Marriage quarter3
Marriage year1900
DistrictWest Bromwich
CountyStaffordshire
CountryEngland
Volume6B
Volume as transcribed6B
Page number1490
Record setEngland & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

OR
GEORGE LACEY married Clara Elizabeth Macfee
Marriage quarter1
Marriage year1873
GEORGE LACEY married Clara Elizabeth Macfee
DistrictBirmingham
District number-
CountyWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Volume6D
Volume as transcribed6D
Page number190 Record setEngland & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Hi Keith