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Army Records -Norman W G Smith

mbenne

master brummie
I wonder if someone could throw some light on my GFs half brother Norman William Gerald Smith. I recently learned that there may be some record of him in WW1 collections. Unfortunately trying to find someone with this surname could be tricky!

I have no information on his rank or regiment, only that he was in the army. Nor do I know if he enlisted or was conscripted. Of his two half brothers one joined the RFA in 1915 and the other was called up in 1917 and joined the Worcestershire Regiment. I wondered whether the regiment he joined would be dictated by where he lived at the time? He was a clerk for all of his working life and I was told that when he was in the army he and his fiancé communicated in shorthand. Maybe he was in the Army Service Core?

I know that he was reported as 'missing in action'. My GGM found this hard to accept and had a premonition he was still alive. At some point he was found in a (German ?)field hospital and was barely recognisable, having been fed on a diet of pea water and black bread. He had been wounded in the hip by a dum dum bullet. The wound never healed and he was frequently bed ridden when the wound erupted.

I have birth, death and burial certs for him but have so far been unable to find his military records. He was born in Birmingham 1894, appears on the 1911 census, Occupation Clerk and is living with his mother and step father (William Jarman)at Boulton Road Handsworth. I have seen his name appear in various searches as Norman William, Norman William Gerald. He married in 1922,died of TB in 1932 and is buried in Handsworth cemetery.

Just finding his regiment and service number would be a great help and will be the final piece in the family jigsaw, having recently located his wife in an asylum and his children in an orphanage!
 
will have a look for you...sounds like a good mystery but was smith his stepdads name? do you know who his birth dad was and what was his moms first name it may help

lyn
 
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mbenne,

I'm guessing that he was amongst the 60% of WW1 records that didn't survive the fire that ensued following a WW2 incendiary bomb on the building in which they were stored. The only records I turn up are the ones with MWS in 1917 :)

Maurice :cool:
 
The electoral roll 1918 shows Norman Wm Gerald Smith, Boulton Road...201202, Pte, 1/6 S Staffs Regt.
Military records on Ancestry ....awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal.
Lynn.
 
The electoral roll 1918 shows Norman Wm Gerald Smith, Boulton Road...201202, Pte, 1/6 S Staffs Regt.
Military records on Ancestry ....awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal.
Lynn.

lynn how are you finding him...im putting in norman william gerald smith b 1894 birmingam but no records are showing for me.......help

lyn
 
will give it a go lynn but his service records are still not coming up to view...

lyn
 
If you search Norman Smith....then look at Miltary records...edit it and put the service number in the Keyword box.
Lynn
 
I think Lyn (Astoness) is looking for service records rather than medal rolls. I can't see his service records.
 
Hi Janice, if you go on the Ancestry Home Page and click the Military records on the left. Type in Norman Smith and put his service number in the Keyword box, you'll see the first 2 results .
Lynn.
 
sorry to confuse lynn but as jan said i did mean his full service records i should have made it clearer that i could find his medal and index card just put it down to an age thing :D obviously along with so many others the full service records no longer exist...i will delete some of our chit chat posts about this just to keep the thread tidy


lyn
 
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We got our wires well and truly crossed there Lyn....hope you didn't think I was trying to tell my Grandmother how to suck eggs!!
Lynn.
 
We got our wires well and truly crossed there Lyn....hope you didn't think I was trying to tell my Grandmother how to suck eggs!!
Lynn.

lol absolutely not lynn...ive been doing this for 11 years and i am still learning :D and there are a lot of members on here that are far better than i am...
 
My grandfather served with the South Staffs, back when I was researching him I got, from a member here, a history of the regiment's activity through WW1.
It will still be tucked away on here somewhere I expect.
 
Many thanks for all your help. I also located Norman's wife on BHF a couple of months ago after finding a thread that was created eleven years earlier! (first item on thread refers https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/winson-green-all-saints-asylum.28597/). I thought I had found her from independent research on the 1939 register and when I Googled the address I realised it was an asylum. The search also pulled up the thread on BHF. It was a long shot but as a result of this I have just learned that one of his children is still living and I'm hoping to get in touch with her.

Its been a tragic story as my GFs uncle wanted to take them into the family business back in 1930s but were told, after making enquiries at the Prince Alice Orphanage, that they had been shipped off to Canada. My Dad and Uncle (their cousins) tried to trace them in later life but the trail had gone cold. Seems they never left the country! Its just a shame there is no one left on my Dads side of the family to tell:(

I've spoken to my older cousin about the family history but surprisingly he knows nothing about it! Most of my research information was based on what I could remember from listening in to adult conversations when they thought I was sleeping, though I do recall My Nan saying that Normans wife had been sent to Rubery?
 
Thanks for sharing your story, what a sad one. I know what you mean about having no one to tell your discoveries to. My Uncle got me started with our family tree but by the time I’d found out some very interesting and surprising facts, he’d sadly developed Alzheimer’s so it meant nothing to him.
lynn
 
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