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Alfred J Wilson, Royal Irish Rifles.

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I am trying to find the place and date of this distant ancestor's death. A recent "hint" thrown up by Ancestry is the following.
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The 1911 census lists his wife Elizabeth Lucy Wilson as a widow living with her father and 3 daughters. The youngest girl is only 1 year old
and so I'm presuming Alfred's death is sometime in 1910.
I have looked to see if he was a serving soldier at the time of his death but with no success. Forces War Records show some sort of record for him but I do not have a subscription for this site to view the record held. The above record from Ancestry states he served in the North West but is this N.W. England or could it be N.W. Frontier in India? (No luck on Wickipedia for campaigns in India in 1910)
I wonder if anyone has any suggestions to help my research
Jim
 
According to his pension record, he died on the 21st April 1922,
 

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There is no death for an Alfred J Wilson registered in 1922 but there is one registered Apr qtr 1921, Oldham.

However, Elizabeth and her children are living on Moorsom St, Bham in 1921. Children include a son Albert Edward b1904.

Eldest son emigrated/sent to Canada in 1909 ?
 
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Thanks to you both for your quick responses.
I wonder if the "hint" was for the right person or perhaps it was for someone else with the same name who also married an Elizabeth?
The 1901 census has his occupation as an uncoupler (?) on railway and a son named Allen (?) J Wilson with them.
Voters list for 1927 has Elizabeth at Moorsom Street but with a male named Albert Edward perhaps another son (but given that he has to be at least 21 there's no mention of him on 1901 or 1911 censuses or census taker misheard or mistranscribed his forename)
More checking I think on births and baptisms I think
 
His eldest son was definitely Alfred James Albert, reg 1899, Allen probably an error. Albert Edward was youngest son, reg 1904. There was another son William Thomas reg 1901.

There is a tree on familysearch that suggests he died in 1906. There is death reg in Warwick 1906 for Alfred James Wilson, though age is slightly out. There also appears to be a burial at St Peter and St Paul in 1906, there doesn't seem to be a matching death in Aston for it.
 
jmadone said:
I am trying to find the place and date of this distant ancestor's death. A recent "hint" thrown up by Ancestry is the following.

The 1911 census lists his wife Elizabeth Lucy Wilson as a widow living with her father and 3 daughters. The youngest girl is only 1 year old
and so I'm presuming Alfred's death is sometime in 1910.
I have looked to see if he was a serving soldier at the time of his death but with no success. Forces War Records show some sort of record for him but I do not have a subscription for this site to view the record held. The above record from Ancestry states he served in the North West but is this N.W. England or could it be N.W. Frontier in India? (No luck on Wickipedia for campaigns in India in 1910)
I wonder if anyone has any suggestions to help my research
Jim
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Did your ancestor live in Birmingham? The address on the pension card is in Manchester but post #3 suggests his widow lived in Birmingham.
 
MWS said:
His eldest son was definitely Alfred James Albert, reg 1899, Allen probably an error. Albert Edward was youngest son, reg 1904. There was another son William Thomas reg 1901.

There is a tree on familysearch that suggests he died in 1906. There is death reg in Warwick 1906 for Alfred James Wilson, though age is slightly out. There also appears to be a burial at St Peter and St Paul in 1906, there doesn't seem to be a matching death in Aston for it.
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The 1906 burial lists an address of 36 Manor Road and age 42
 
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Their daughter Ethel is born in 1906 (reg Aston). If the address on her birth or baptism was the same it would suggest that it was the correct one.
 
Right - the pension record for the soldier shown in post #1 lists the dob of widow Elizabeth
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on 1911 census Elizabeth L Wilson is listed as born abt 1874 and on 1939 reg her dob is 17 May 1874. this means the two elizabeth's are different people and so, I assume, are the Alfred James Wilson's.
 
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Possibly a slight error with the numbering, seems too much of a coincidence to have an Alfred James Wilson at both 36 and 56 Manor Road.
 
Well done to everyone. It does seem that my ancestors were not the ones in my original post. I've only just got back in and haven't had time to look for the baptism and births for the children yet.
My thanks to everyone
Jim.
 
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Yes - I realised that but it matches up with Ethel's baptism.
I didn't come across a baptism for Emily but there might be one.
 
jmadone said:
If he died in 1906 he couldn't have fathered Emily whose age is given as 1 yr. on the 1911 census.
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Not an uncommon occurrence. My g g grandmother was widowed and had 4 children before she married again (not to those children's father(s)).

Emily is listed as Wilson, mmn Gumbley but must be someone else's
 
MWS said:
His eldest son was definitely Alfred James Albert, reg 1899, Allen probably an error. Albert Edward was youngest son, reg 1904. There was another son William Thomas reg 1901.

There is a tree on familysearch that suggests he died in 1906. There is death reg in Warwick 1906 for Alfred James Wilson, though age is slightly out. There also appears to be a burial at St Peter and St Paul in 1906, there doesn't seem to be a matching death in Aston for it.
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I'm assuming these are the erroneous Manchester Alfred J. Wilson,s offspring?
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Yes - I realised that but it matches up with Ethel's baptism.
I didn't come across a baptism for Emily but there might be one.
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Neither have I but I have found a birth registered to an Emily Wilson 3rd quarter 1909 in Aston.
 
jmadone said:
I'm assuming these are the erroneous Manchester Alfred J. Wilson,s offspring?

Neither have I but I have found a birth registered to an Emily Wilson 3rd quarter 1909 in Aston.
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No, these are children of your Alfred James and Elizabeth Lucy Wilson.
 
As mentioned Alfred James Albert went to Canada in 1909 and William Thomas & Albert Edward are boarders in Kent in 1911.

It looks like William Thomas' army service records are on Ancestry, Elizabeth Lucy appears to be listed on them.
 
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