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1901 Census for Joseph Blower.

pjmburns

master brummie
Yes he is as the cert is on Ancestry. By 1911 he is no longer a soldier. Then Mills says he was injured in WW1 and invalided out of the army in 190
16. There is a Joseph Blowers with that info but I don't know how we know it is the right one. I would also have thought his 1902 service record would have survived as the burnt records only relate to WW1 - as far a I understood it.
 

MWS

master brummie
Is that the pension record for Joseph Blower? Is there no further info on that, no sub to see the record.
 

MILLS

proper brummie kid
It is on Fold 3 so I can't read it.
Is that the pension record for Joseph Blower? Is there no further info on that, no sub to see the record.
Thank you, you have all been very busy on my behalf which is much appreciated.
I have looked on Ancestry, Findmypast and Forceswarrecords and can find no service records other than that which relates to his wounds and ultimate discharge.
Pension details are on Fold 3 as you say and the address in 1916 gives him as married living at 7/112 Wheeler Street, Birmingham. Based on this I was fairly sure I had the right man.
The only other person who might be able to help is PROMENADE, who says he has a data base of Worcestershire Regiment soldiers. But as yet hasn't picked up this theme.
Again thank you both for your sterling work.

David
 

MILLS

proper brummie kid
Thank you, you have all been very busy on my behalf which is much appreciated.
I have looked on Ancestry, Findmypast and Forceswarrecords and can find no service records other than that which relates to his wounds and ultimate discharge.
Pension details are on Fold 3 as you say and the address in 1916 gives him as married living at 7/112 Wheeler Street, Birmingham. Based on this I was fairly sure I had the right man.
The only other person who might be able to help is PROMENADE, who says he has a data base of Worcestershire Regiment soldiers. But as yet hasn't picked up this theme.
Again thank you both for your sterling work.

David
I have opened a conversation with Promenade hoping he might be able to offer some advice?
 

Promenade

Brummie babby
Firstly some clarification - if an other ranker served in the Army during the Great War and did not serve on after 1920 his records would have been stored in the Arnside warehouse in London when it was bombed during WW2 - this is regardless of when a man originally enlisted.

If a man (officers and other ranks) served on, at any time, after 1920 his records are still theoretically held by the MOD even though he served in the Great War. As no trace can be found of Joseph's service records it is a realistic assumption that they were destroyed during WW2.

It was normal for a man to enlist for a total of 12 years in the Army, partly with the colours, and then partly on the reserve when he would have been paid a bounty. Whilst on the reserve he had to maintain his military skills and was liable for call up in the case of a national emergency. Having enlisted on 23/10/02 Joseph's military obligations would have ended on 23/10/14 so I am fairly certain that Joseph was called up for service in WW1 whilst still on the reserve. He crossed to France with 2 Worcs 11/8/14.

Unfortunatly I have no specific information on Joseph prior to his enlistment - the members who have posted in previous threads have much more experience than I at identifying a Census entry - my 'expertise', such as it is, in matters military.

I also note that you are only 'fairly sure' that you have the right man - the only link I can see to verify this is the Wheeler Street address which relates to the period after Joseph's discharge.

Prior to his discharge Joseph served abroad during the war with two Battalions of the Worcs Regt the 2nd and the 4th. It was whilst serving with the latter, almost certainly in Gallipoli, that he was wounded.

Promenade
 

MILLS

proper brummie kid
Firstly some clarification - if an other ranker served in the Army during the Great War and did not serve on after 1920 his records would have been stored in the Arnside warehouse in London when it was bombed during WW2 - this is regardless of when a man originally enlisted.

If a man (officers and other ranks) served on, at any time, after 1920 his records are still theoretically held by the MOD even though he served in the Great War. As no trace can be found of Joseph's service records it is a realistic assumption that they were destroyed during WW2.

It was normal for a man to enlist for a total of 12 years in the Army, partly with the colours, and then partly on the reserve when he would have been paid a bounty. Whilst on the reserve he had to maintain his military skills and was liable for call up in the case of a national emergency. Having enlisted on 23/10/02 Joseph's military obligations would have ended on 23/10/14 so I am fairly certain that Joseph was called up for service in WW1 whilst still on the reserve. He crossed to France with 2 Worcs 11/8/14.

Unfortunatly I have no specific information on Joseph prior to his enlistment - the members who have posted in previous threads have much more experience than I at identifying a Census entry - my 'expertise', such as it is, in matters military.

I also note that you are only 'fairly sure' that you have the right man - the only link I can see to verify this is the Wheeler Street address which relates to the period after Joseph's discharge.

Prior to his discharge Joseph served abroad during the war with two Battalions of the Worcs Regt the 2nd and the 4th. It was whilst serving with the latter, almost certainly in Gallipoli, that he was wounded.

Promenade
Promenade,

Thank you for this, very much appreciated.
I was aware of the position on military records but I am sure your expertise on military matters will be appreciated by the Forum members who might be searching for WW1 records.
If you were not aware it's fairly certain he was present at Gheluvelt as a charger.
Again thank you.

MWS and pjmburns,

Again thank you for all of the information you managed to dig up on Joseph Blower, a very brave soldier who deserves to be remembered.

David
 
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