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Gareth Harrison

Gareth
My grandfather jacob Winter lived at 11 Sherlock Street from around 1918-1926. It was a four storey building including a tailoring factory and the family lived on the 4th floor.
I was wondering what Kellys and the electoral roll told about the occupants from around 1918-1926.
Thanks in advance,
Gareth
 
The only Kellys I have for that period is 1921 which gives:
11 & 13 Storry W.E.&Co.Ltd,.wholesale . clothing minufrs
The absent voters electoral roll for no 11 in 1918 gave:
Frederick George Clapp, 256826, Pte, ASC, 6th Rly Supply
The electoral rolls for 1920, were:
1920 Lucy Clapp & William Field
But there appears to be no entry for 1922 or 1925
Mike
 
There are several maps and pictures on here that identify Sherlock Street years before it was built. It was built alongside or over a filled in leat that fed the mill pool of Astericks/Lloyds watermill in Mill Lane. There is a contemporary photo on here that I thought possibly showed that address but on second thoughts it was Moat Row...a little higher up the slope. But still, the same date about; maybe a little earlier...possibly did not change that much between.
 
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In the 1904 Directory there is
Winter Jacob, Tailor, 66 Digbeth

In the 1916 directory there is
Winter Jacob,Tailor, 33a Bristol St,

in the 1927 directory there are
Winter Jacob, Tailor, 56 Bristol St, and 531 Bristol Road, Bournbrook, Selly Oak
 
Thanks Rupert. I had not the information on 33a Bristol Street BEFORE.
Most helpful.
Thanks also for the photos and map tips,
Cheers,
gareth
 
Gareth
There are no entries in the electoral roll for no 11 in 1925, 1927 , 1930 or 1935 but in 1939 it is Alfred Powell. This means there was no-one listed as living there on the roll to vote, but they may not have registered, or may not have been eligible to register .
Mike
 
Gareth Harrison said:
My grandfather jacob Winter lived at 11 Sherlock Street from around 1918-1926. It was a four storey building including a tailoring factory and the family lived on the 4th floor.
I was wondering what Kellys and the electoral roll told about the occupants from around 1918-1926.
Thanks in advance,
Gareth
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My biological grandmother was born at 57 Sherlock Street 1914
 
Are there any old photos of Sherlock Street around 1914-18 and who might have lived there? I am interetsted in number 57 which is no longer there.
 
The earliest listings in the online electoral roll for no 57 are for 1920 and list Kate Dingley & Harry Lea Morley. No 57 is not listed in the 1913 or 1915 Kellys
 
That's very interesting Mike, thank you. If there was no entry, what possibly could that mean, as I know my family were there in 1914 from a birth certificate? I am trying to find out who else was there with them as there was some shall we say jiggery pokery goings on I have not to to the bottom of.
 
My great grandparents Thomas and Annie Farley lived at Court 3, House 1 Sherlock St, my grandparents also lived in Sherlock St where my Mother was born in 1926 but I don't know which number. They were rehoused in South Yardley in 1938. If anyone has any photos of Sherlock St or knows where I can find some, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
 
There is or was another Forum called Birmingham Forum which has pictures of old Sherlock Street. I mistakenly thought it was Birmingham History Forum. I typed Sherlock St into Google and it was one of the things that came up.
 
These are the earliest photos of Sherlock St that I can find, but nothing as early as 1914-18
 

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Nico
Pre- 1918, unless they were owners of property of more than a certain value, in which case they could vote at local elections, women were not included in the electoral roll as they did not have the vote. Therefore if no men were permanently resident then the house would not then be included in the electoral rolls
 
Thanks Mike, that also makes a lot of sense then. I would think they were back to backs. I found the 1911 Census Books stating a Mr Wood lived there T 57 with 2 other males and a female. I could not find him on the Census Proper though which would give the names If I got hold of relevant Kelly's Books and there was no one listed between 1914-18 that could one reason as you have given me. If the man of the house were away at war would he be listed do you know? That is another theory. I did find lots of other families though listed as living in courts or lots of men at one address who were 'inmates' . They also list prisoners in the census in other areas.
 
I believe there were no electoral rolls taken during WW1 (or WW2), as there were no elections, though presumably there would be one in 1914, as the war only started late in the year. There were rolls of absent voters listed in 1918, and 1919 (and i think i have seen some for 1920).
 
I wonder what the pub is Carolina? Love the cars and the wonk Belisha beacons. And the lamps. That chimney staakc looks dodgy. I Googled sherlock Street now and the old map Mike sent me a while ago with 57 highligted in blue. On the old map Sherlock St appears to coinue instead of curving to the right am I correct. Skinner St or Lane now stops after it bends. Nico
 
The photo is of the north side of Sherlock St looking toward town, the next road junction on the same side as The Woodman would be Lower Essex St.
 
One part of the family were all butchers working in the market. Sherlock St would have been handy for them then I would imagine. And Ashtead Row. The others were either publicans or worked in shops.
 
Nico said:
I wonder what the pub is Carolina? Love the cars and the wonk Belisha beacons. And the lamps. That chimney staakc looks dodgy. I Googled sherlock Street now and the old map Mike sent me a while ago with 57 highligted in blue. On the old map Sherlock St appears to coinue instead of curving to the right am I correct. Skinner St or Lane now stops after it bends. Nico[/QUOT]

Nico sorry for delay, it says The Woodman. Carol
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I see. Did it used to go straight on after the bend? Before your time of course. Heading past your way tomorrow, to Shropshire.
 
My three times great grandfather was a baker in Sherlock Street. His name was Edward Fort Beesley and he was working there in 1848. Can anyone tell me where to go for more information please.
 
Julia , I haven't been able to find Edward on the 1851 census but in 1841 he is with his mother in cheltenham
he was in fact born in dudley
1841.
Harriot Beesley age 30 Tailoress not born in gloucs (in further census she says born Eckington Staffs.
Emma beesley age 7 not born in gloucs in further census she says born Dudley.
Edward age 6 not born in Gloucs
Henry 2months b cheltenham
their father Henry Beesley died in cheltenham Dec 1840.

Henry Beesley married Harriett Haywood ,21st june 1832 St Martins Birmingham.

Emma Haywood Beesley baptised St Thomas dudley 5th October 1834 parents Henry and Harriett.
Edward Fort Beesley born 27th June,1835 baptised 7th May.1837 st Thomas Dudley parents Henry and Harriett.
There was a daughter Sarah Beaumont Beesley born 28th Jan 1837 baptised on the same day as Edward.parents henry and Harriett
She is not on the 1841 census and there is a death of a Sarah Beesley in Cheltenham in 1838.

Edward Fort Beesley married Amelia Elizabeth Smith ,25th August 1858 St Martin Birmingham(although the BMD index has him as Edward Frederick)

1861 Sherborne street
Edward Beesley age 25 b Cheltenham , Baker (i suppose that Edward would have thought that Cheltenham was his birthplace. having lived there from childhood)
Amelia age 20 b Birmingham
Edward Henry age 1 month
Henry Beesley age20 b Cheltenham , brother, Baker
 
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That's absolutely brilliant, thank you. I am new to all this and at times seem to be going round in circles. Your help is SO much appreciated.
 
Gareth Harrison said:
My grandfather jacob Winter lived at 11 Sherlock Street from around 1918-1926. It was a four storey building including a tailoring factory and the family lived on the 4th floor.
I was wondering what Kellys and the electoral roll told about the occupants from around 1918-1926.
Thanks in advance,
Gareth
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Would number 10 have been a similar property? As I've found a census entry for 1901 which has a family connection.
David
 
No 10 sherlock st was on the opposite side of the road and is not listed in Kellys for 1903 (which would refer to 1902)
 
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