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Bell, Steelhouse Lane
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Confusing Carolina. If we could unravel the info it would help you as well as giving us a nice glimpse of the history of Steelhouse Lane.
I assume the pub, The Bell (and later the Kings Arms ?), must have been on the corner of Steelhouse Lane (112-114) and Whittall Street (41-42) and on the site of what became the General Hospital. Maybe Mike could enlighten us via a map please?
It says that in the 1840s the premises were part of a large plot with 4 dwellings and outbuildings (2 had been built by 1807 and 2 more were added between 1810-1832).
Regarding the many people referred to, all I can say is there are several interests from brewers and maltsters. (Does this refer to a succession of owners ? And are these dating from the early days of the pub, through to pre-General Hospital. Or are they simply occupants of the various dwellings on the wider plot?) Can anyone enlighten us?
Viv.
I assume the pub, The Bell (and later the Kings Arms ?), must have been on the corner of Steelhouse Lane (112-114) and Whittall Street (41-42) and on the site of what became the General Hospital. Maybe Mike could enlighten us via a map please?
It says that in the 1840s the premises were part of a large plot with 4 dwellings and outbuildings (2 had been built by 1807 and 2 more were added between 1810-1832).
Regarding the many people referred to, all I can say is there are several interests from brewers and maltsters. (Does this refer to a succession of owners ? And are these dating from the early days of the pub, through to pre-General Hospital. Or are they simply occupants of the various dwellings on the wider plot?) Can anyone enlighten us?
Viv.
I think you need to access the actual documents to really understand what is there, Below is an insurance map of 1889 , showing a public house on the eastern side of the junction of Whittall St and Steelhouse lane. the 1890 Kellies lists this as the Kings Arms,40 Whittall St, landlord. John Fielding. the pun disappeared from the directories between 1915 & 1921, before the General hospital expansion flattened that part of the street. The cutting show the closure was in 1918. The reason for the closure (despite the confusing headline on the cutting) was claimed redundancy, there being no need for so many pubs in central Birmingham
A useful map Mike, thanks. According to the 1889 insurance map the Bell was a different pub to the Kings Arms. The Bell was at 112 Steelhouse Lane. The Kings Arms must have been where 606 is marked on the map and reached as far back as 41 and 42 Whittall St. So two entirely different pubs. The compensation for the Kings Arms seems very disproportionate. Must be a good reason for that. The registered owners were apparently the hospital trustees.
I agree with Mike. The best way to get an understanding would be to look into the actual documents. Viv.
I agree with Mike. The best way to get an understanding would be to look into the actual documents. Viv.
I am really trying to get more info but dont know how to go forward. I was given the website from the library and that is where I found the information. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk which may be useful for other people to use. Many thanks Viv and Mike for the added info.
