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Lost Birmingham Pubs

MWS said:
The earliest map I can find of Wylde Green is 1889. The only pub seems to be the Wylde Green Hotel.

However on the 1861 census William King is listed as Publican on Sutton Road, Wylde Green (doesn't say Plough & Harrow) but there is a newspaper report of the death of his wife, Eliza in 1860 at the Plough & Harrow.

Willian Green is listed between The Oaklands and Wylde Green House on the 1861 census both of which are on this map...

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The Wylde Green Hotel is on the opposite side of the road to The Oaklands. If this is the renamed Plough & Harrow or a different pub I don't know.
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Thank you too - so great to be able to piece things together with your help.
 
raz ullah said:
Hi Dave89 did you know the actor Tony Britton was born in a room over The Trocadero Pub . Raz .
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Hi Raz,
No, I didn't, that's interesting - many thanks. Incidentally just re-reading my post, I didn't
mean that the other 2 didn't serve a great pint, just that I didn't drink in them!

Kind regards
Dave
 
rowan said:
This is a list of pubs around the Bull Ring and the licencees.

GRAND TURQ, 34 Bell Street corner of Lease Lane.
Manager;T.F. Fletcher 1924 T.P. Collier. 1944

BLACK SWAN HOTEL, 5, Bromsgrove Street.
Manager; Mrs E.B. Evans.1924 N.F. McCoy. 1944

AUSTRALIAN BAR. 48 Bromsgrove Street.
Not there in 1924 Jn. Rickerby 1944

NEW INN HOTEL.191-192 .Bromsgrove Street.
Manager; H.L. Jeacock 1924 A. Clemm. 1944

CASTLE & FALCON. 109 Digbeth.
Manager; A. Russell 1924 W.J.T. Wiley 1944

WAGON & HORSES. 14 Edgbaston Street.
Manager; R. Barlow 1924 Closed Down 1944

THE COMET 5 High Street.
Manager; W.E. Nelson 1924 Closed Down 1944

LION & LAMB. 17 High Street.
Manager;W. Brown 1924 Closed Down 1944

BROOK'S VAULT. 51 Jamaica Row (it was originally known as THE CITERION)
Manager; F. Holliday 1924 F. Brown 1944

PLOUGH & HARROW. 81 Jamaica Row..
Manager; S.R. Fisher 1924 F.W. Doran 1944

WOOLPACK HOTEL. 8-9 Moor Street.
Manager; F.W. Butler 1924 J. Blower 1944

SWAN HOTEL. 148 New Street.
Manager; Mrs A. Butler 1924 Closed Down 1944

PHOENIX HOTEL. 3 Park Street. (it was originally known as OLD PHOENIX INN)
Manager; P.Vincent-Bennett 1924 E. Freeman 1944.

THE BOARD INN. 7 Phillips Street.
Manager; Mrs L. Lord. 1924 A. Garnett 1944

SPREAD EAGLE. 14 Spiceal Street.
Manager; Samuel Rich 1924 Closed Down 1944

STEVENS BAR 149 New Street and 89 High Street,top of the Bull Ring aera. Closed, for trading after permitted hours on the 25th March 1958, upon expiration of lease.
Manager; R.E. East 1924 W.E. Allport. 1944 (an M&B House).

SMITHFIELD ARMS 47 Jamaica Row.
Manager; George Ameghino 1924 Mrs D.E. Caldicott 1944
(an Ansells House)

CROSS KEYS 91 Jamaica Row, corner of Sherlock Street.
Manager:G.J. Bunn 1924 J.W. Jesson 1944 (an Ansells House)

ST.MARTIN'S HOTEL corner of St.Martin's Lane & Jamaica Street.
Manager;C.H. Mitchell 1924 E.C. Cox 1944
( M & B Hotel,very popular. It closed in 1944)

BOARD VAULTS;56 Worcester Street, corner of Bell Street
Manager;F.R. Andrews 1924 A.Summerfield 1944
(an Ansells House)

BIRMINGHAM ARMS: 1 Moet Row.
Manager; L.A. Chantrill 1924 Mrs Emily Stokes 1944.
(an M&B House)

the TALBOT: 24 Moat Lane
Manager: Ted Lippey 1924 T.W. Gibson 1944

:)
The above was extracted f.rom a book by Victor J. Price
"The Bull Ring Remembered"
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Are the any pictures,or information on " the kings head" pub,at 67 Allison street,Birmingham,I think it was demolished about 1906/7.
 
Zoe_T said:
Hello all, I've a newspaper advert from 1855 for the Plough and Harrow Wild Green [sic]. Can anyone point me to where this pub was in Wylde Green / whether it is an existing building/pub with a different name. The ad describes the Plough and Harrow being on the main road from Birmingham to Sutton. Thank you.
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Hello Zoe, just catching up on this thread but I loved the Plough & Harrow particularly the beer :)
 
Thanks A Sparks but I don't think that's the one that Zoe T mentions as she says it's between Birmingham and Sutton on the main road at Wylde Green. Going from the Yenton pub, I can only think of the (now gone) Wylde Green on the left hand side before you get to the Horse & Jockey. Puzzling!
 
Lady Penelope said:
Richard, can you tell me where this pub was please? I can't remember it but it may have gone some time ago. Thank you.
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Lady P, it’s been so long but I will try. This pub is actually the newer one on believe near Slate or Chester Rds. I had a a friend who lived in Streetly and another in Sutton Coldfield and we frequented there on many weekends. Hope that helps!
 
Thanks Richard, so the original address was wrong. It's the other side of Sutton to Birmingham. Thought I didn't know it and it's certainly not Wylde Green from your description.
 
This is a really lost pub because I can't find any information on it anywhere. It looks like it was a Mitchells & Butlers pub called the Hotel Victoria Cross and was on the corner of Gower St & William St, Lozells. It shows as P.H on a 1891 map and also a 1917 map but it's not mentioned on a 1937 map. Any info on this pub would be much appreciated.

Hotel Victoria Cross.jpggower_street_from William St3.jpg
 
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hi barry never heard of this one...have you got a fuller photo or just the bit you posted

lyn
 
thanks barry i think i may have posted this one some time ago...i know there was another pub in william st but maybe someone could check the kellys for this one

lyn
 
Just found this photo of Hotel Victoria Cross on the Birmingham Forum which was posted by our late friend Phil in Oct 2014. This view along William St looks like it was taken early 70s.
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hi barry yes that is one of the many photos of william st i posted on the william st thread..its taken july 1967
 
Strangely there is no mention in the newspaper archives, though plenty of a hotel of the same name in Cork, Ireland
 
nursesue said:
my fave watering holes were the Golden Eagle - a rough bikers pub at top of new street - bulldozed down and became extension to post office. Also Bogarts on New Street and Costermongers near Brum market at back of tescos near oasis - well thats where they were if I remember correctly back to 1980s. I also remember when Tesco was the Beehive. Oh gosh I'm getting old:cry:
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Hiya, very new to this but spotted your post. The Golden Eagle was spot on. If my memory serves me right I think there was a "disco" there called the Shoop. But I will stand corrected if wrong. Another one chipping away at the fading memory is I am not sure if Queen didn't do bit at Bogart's. Worth a look see. Cheers, GT
 
MWS said:
The earliest map I can find of Wylde Green is 1889. The only pub seems to be the Wylde Green Hotel.

However on the 1861 census William King is listed as Publican on Sutton Road, Wylde Green (doesn't say Plough & Harrow) but there is a newspaper report of the death of his wife, Eliza in 1860 at the Plough & Harrow.

Willian Green is listed between The Oaklands and Wylde Green House on the 1861 census both of which are on this map...

View attachment 154361

The Wylde Green Hotel is on the opposite side of the road to The Oaklands. If this is the renamed Plough & Harrow or a different pub I don't know.
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I think the Wylde Wylde Green is about to be developed, it will no longer be a pub?
 
Greetings All,

I am a new arrival to the forum. I live in the US (Colorado) and have ancestors that came from the Birmingham/Wolverhampton area. I hope you don't mind me intruding on the discussion here.

Doing recent genealogy work I've stumbled across an ancestor - my 3rd Great Grandfather, Charles Newey (1818-1874) - who was "maltster" and "Publican" at an establishment named "The Malt Shovel Inn" located at "Newton, Great Barr, Birmingham". Based on census records, Richard and his family operated this establishment roughly between 1841 and 1871.

The Malt Shovel Inn seems to have attracted a number of undesirable clients, including a couple of rowdies that were shot by my ancestor while threatening to murder he and his wife in 1863 (please see attached article).

Searching the internet I see today is a "Malt Shovel" standing today on Newton Rd, Great Barr, Birmingham https://www.stonehouserestaurants.c...ce=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=gmb
I'm wondering if it is the same location as that of my ancestor Charles Newey. Has anyone been to this pub? By chance do you know the history? Does anyone here have any information and/or anecdotes that they could provide?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers from the US,

Z

P.S. I prefer cold IPAs to ales and stouts at room temperature, but if you twist my arm...
 

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zjxn06 said:
Greetings All,

I am a new arrival to the forum. I live in the US (Colorado) and have ancestors that came from the Birmingham/Wolverhampton area. I hope you don't mind me intruding on the discussion here.

Doing recent genealogy work I've stumbled across an ancestor - my 3rd Great Grandfather, Charles Newey (1818-1874) - who was "maltster" and "Publican" at an establishment named "The Malt Shovel Inn" located at "Newton, Great Barr, Birmingham". Based on census records, Richard and his family operated this establishment roughly between 1841 and 1871.

The Malt Shovel Inn seems to have attracted a number of undesirable clients, including a couple of rowdies that were shot by my ancestor while threatening to murder he and his wife in 1863 (please see attached article).

Searching the internet I see today is a "Malt Shovel" standing today on Newton Rd, Great Barr, Birmingham https://www.stonehouserestaurants.c...ce=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=gmb
I'm wondering if it is the same location as that of my ancestor Charles Newey. Has anyone been to this pub? By chance do you know the history? Does anyone here have any information and/or anecdotes that they could provide?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers from the US,

Z

P.S. I prefer cold IPAs to ales and stouts at room temperature, but if you twist my arm...
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Welcome to the Forum. My passion is Sweetwater IPA, I used to work with Dick Yuengling so I’m a fan. Although occasionally I can get Flowers Keg bitter albeit in a bottle!
Enjoy!
 
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