Radiorails
master brummie
Yes, it is the keep left sign that bothers me with my suggestion. But I only remember the Spring Hill library junction up until 1954, after which major changes started to take place.
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I've just had a look in the thread below but the church has a wall round the churchyard whereas the building where the bus was is directly on the road ...
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/church-of-christ-sparkhill.48453/post-388066
Onceabrummie
proper brummie kid
Could those be saltley gas towers spewing in the background?
that bus stop you seeing was the 82/83 bus stop and to say its just pulled off is a wim cos as i say it was on its way to rosemary street and it came down monument road from the ivy bush and turned left thats why the bus looks so close to the pavent and for the distance passing the bus stop and yes john is correct cos my mate silvester learnt is trade there and went to there market hall to be manager the libary never had a make over only a yet stone wash i grew up there so i have to smile at this
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Radiorails
master brummie
Sorry Carolina, but the pinnacles on that church tower do not fit the photo.
Curly
master brummie
If one looks at the tower over the top of the bus, there are two 'mini spires' per side, making 8 in all. The only tower I have found with the remotest similarity is the the one on Central Hall. I thought that the view therefore was in Dalton Street but I cannot find a stepped window arrangement on that street. I seem to remember that many bus stops had a 'cobbled' area alongside the stop.
I phil i have to keep on as i know that his springhill i lived on the door step of the place everyday of the week 7 days aweek
even got my books from there and the news agents is where we got our fags on the way down to school
He was the only bloke whom would serve us the the for litte dominos in a litte packey the other side is walter smiths as i have previuosly said and yes this side of the bus the libary windows do get slightley smaller one mis judgement i made it comes around from ickneild street and it as tw pivots spaced out early i said about the bus stop there was only a rail and that would have been yards from the turf and another point i did say 82/3 well infact it was the 83 bus stop where our friends think it took off from and it never did the number 8 never stopped on the springhill but that 83 bus stop was yards from the other bus stops that wa a series of the 82 and the midland red and 87 along with a couple more
the only time the number 8 ever diverted was prior that year i have got in a book it was diverted down
Ickneld port road and turned right right along freeth street by the crown pub and that was before bill landon bought the picture for his displays staight to the botton and came out of Ickneld square by biddle and webbs back on track on monument road and the reason for that from the swimming baths down to ledsam street monument was all ripped up replacing water pipes and did you notice on the bus behind the driver seat was the bus conductor every day of the week we are down doing our shopping and we used to start our pub crawl from the turf along to the warstone down to the gate
and further down to the corner pf pickford street and work a way the soho hill as kids and young fellas we travelled the circle every week and if we never we would go aroundon the 11 its a pity we do not have enough of ladwoodnite on this forum they can confirm it, its the same people from lichfield road cromwell terreace would be great Astonian;;;;;
even got my books from there and the news agents is where we got our fags on the way down to school
He was the only bloke whom would serve us the the for litte dominos in a litte packey the other side is walter smiths as i have previuosly said and yes this side of the bus the libary windows do get slightley smaller one mis judgement i made it comes around from ickneild street and it as tw pivots spaced out early i said about the bus stop there was only a rail and that would have been yards from the turf and another point i did say 82/3 well infact it was the 83 bus stop where our friends think it took off from and it never did the number 8 never stopped on the springhill but that 83 bus stop was yards from the other bus stops that wa a series of the 82 and the midland red and 87 along with a couple more
the only time the number 8 ever diverted was prior that year i have got in a book it was diverted down
Ickneld port road and turned right right along freeth street by the crown pub and that was before bill landon bought the picture for his displays staight to the botton and came out of Ickneld square by biddle and webbs back on track on monument road and the reason for that from the swimming baths down to ledsam street monument was all ripped up replacing water pipes and did you notice on the bus behind the driver seat was the bus conductor every day of the week we are down doing our shopping and we used to start our pub crawl from the turf along to the warstone down to the gate
and further down to the corner pf pickford street and work a way the soho hill as kids and young fellas we travelled the circle every week and if we never we would go aroundon the 11 its a pity we do not have enough of ladwoodnite on this forum they can confirm it, its the same people from lichfield road cromwell terreace would be great Astonian;;;;;
I have picked up that architectural feature too. I have seen that type of feature before, it’s not unique and usefully found on church building. I cannot think where at the moment.
john knight
signman
I have been on this thread from the start, nearly drove myself nuts, all I will say is it's not Spring Hill library, have now given up.
john knight
signman
Grea
master brummie
Many thanks for your help
Radiorails
master brummie
I guess his will go in the box with the Great Barr photo.
One of the principal problems with identifying old photos on the Inner Circle, and city centre, bus routes is that so much of the landscape on the routes has been swept away or dramatically changed.
One of the principal problems with identifying old photos on the Inner Circle, and city centre, bus routes is that so much of the landscape on the routes has been swept away or dramatically changed.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I’ve done a search through a large number of aerial photos over dates from 1934 to 1947 covering districts from Hagley Rd to Hockley, from Icknield Port Rd to Roseberry Rd and seen no buildings like the one in the bus pic. Maybe the location is on the eastern or southern side of the Inner Circle route.
Brookfields Lad
master brummie
I have been watching this posting with much anticipation
I too was raised in this area and spent many an hour in Spring Hill library.
First of all, I would say it is not Icknield street or Spring Hill library for the following reasons:
1. The road looks to narrow at this point.
2. The building bears little resemblance to the architecture of the library.
3. I don't remember there being a bust stop so close to the traffic lights.
4. If you look past the bus to where the junction of Camden street should, the road appears to have a bend in it which Icknield street didn't have. Also there appears to be street furniture (keep left sign?) at the junction of Camden street, which also is wrong.
5. I agree with a previous posting that the tower that can bee seen behind the bus is also wrong.
Interesting thread. I'll keep looking.
I too was raised in this area and spent many an hour in Spring Hill library.
First of all, I would say it is not Icknield street or Spring Hill library for the following reasons:
1. The road looks to narrow at this point.
2. The building bears little resemblance to the architecture of the library.
3. I don't remember there being a bust stop so close to the traffic lights.
4. If you look past the bus to where the junction of Camden street should, the road appears to have a bend in it which Icknield street didn't have. Also there appears to be street furniture (keep left sign?) at the junction of Camden street, which also is wrong.
5. I agree with a previous posting that the tower that can bee seen behind the bus is also wrong.
Interesting thread. I'll keep looking.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Does anyone know where buses on the Inner Circle route were garaged?
brummy-lad
master brummie
I noticed the chimney pots also, I did wonder if the actual tower with its ornate embellishments was actually the other side of the main road (seen in the distance). In any event whatever the building was, those windows are something really unique, I can't find them on any other buildings.
I followed the No.8 bus route on a 1950s map, I could find nowhere this could have been taken. It looks like there is a passenger or conductor inside the bus.
Another BHF mystery
Brookfields Lad
master brummie
My dad drove the No 8 for about ten years, he was based at Hockley garage.
well if thats the case it was on the highgate road just before stoney lane when awaiting for that eight like most of the time especialy the eight the sign would state terminating at stoneylane highgate this was a dammed regular thing with the 8 around six oclock and last thing of the night and if going to hockley terminatin there so the choice is high gate road
where they usaly parked up off service
where they usaly parked up off service
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Phil
If I am reading this book correctly, because it doesn't give a list, but I think number 8 buses were garaged at various depots around the route among Hockley depot, Rosebery Rd depot, Barford st depot, Liverpool St depot, and Highgate rd depot.
Radiorails
master brummie
We already have been on that tack, it has been suggested it was going to Roseberry Street.
As far as the site of the bus stop, opposite the library, is concerned I assume it was moved there when Ladywood Middleway was being developed, The original stop was the other side of the crossroads at the commencement of Monument Road before then, I know, as I used to board a No. 8 there on occasions until 1954.
It should also be remembered that this bus was principally used for rush periods, being one of those 1937 buses renovated and would be gone in 1960. An earlier post shows its fate.
The photograph in the book - the same as that in the original post - has quite poor background definition.
My suggestion, at this stage, is that the bus was in Icknield Street when photographed but the background is not of that of Icknield Street. Possibly artistic licence was used here and as it was taken in an era many would not remember or know it. The book, incidentally was printed initially in 2002 with subsequent reprints.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Thanks Phil, I keep saying I'm not looking any further. I have had a look in Roseberry St but I'll have a look around those other depots.
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
1008 was garaged at Hockley, having scoured the David Harvey book on the Inner Circle and also compared the pictures of another bus at 'the same point' and aerial views of Springhill Library, it is obviously not Springhill. However his book on Hockley has a picture of 1008 on the Oxhill Road (70) route during its brief return to operation which would have located it as garaged at Hockley. If only there was a telegraph/Electric pole with 16 lines on it and we could have moved to Great Barr!!! Keep on looking, I love a good mystery.
Bob
when that bus number eight was coming up from hockly it would stop at warstone lane in the fiftys next stop was short of camden stree e the bulpitts so it was giving the employees to work but afew years later they disposed that stop which then made it that if you never got off there your next stop would be coming through the junction and it was a good few yards passed that and the new bus stop for the eight was outside the family called bates house and the front gardend used to go uop hill to get to there frontdoor with two or three steps to enter and regards saying the bus stoppwas put there for the building of the ladywood middle way was never thought on in those days that particular bus stop was there way back in early fortys and early fifties the other thing what would have made the diffference would have been in the distance if we had seen the corner corectly like seein the corner with the old midland bank on the corner or even the turf pub just a back from the isolated bus stop and then there was the distance to the other bus stops which was bunch together and whilst i think about it i do not want to throw people of course but some one did say about st lukes church which was on bristol street they said it never done a slight turn side to the church because of the ring road but infact it did but not the church we was on that bus the day we had a little slink in the bend to get back on course to the belgrave road and continueuo on to the hiighgate road about half way down was the big highgate garage for the buses you could not miss it and it would drive pasin it and there was there clock to pull in and register but getting to the springhill saga i have umpteen books and i pulled out a picture of springhill facing bates house and aso more of the libary even with the old tram shelter stuck in the middle of the road so i will browse to these and hopefully
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Phil
I keep saying the same, I think I have spent more time gong around the number 8 route on this problem than I ever did as a kid going round the route on the actual bus.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I can't really see why they would do it but it is possible. Below is a quick go myself inserting the library but much more time would be needed to make it look realistic.
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