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The Gothic - Great Hampton Street
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brianthelion
master brummie
Makes a change from the Seagulls shrieking!this is great having someone with a birds eye view brian...the job is yours
lyn
just received this reply folks...i think this will make things a bit clearer as to what is happening right now and why and also the plans for the future..
lyn
Dear Linda
I have discussed this matter with the City Design Manager and can confirm that the site in question has recently changed hands and discussions have taken place with both Planning and Building Control over the future redevelopment of the site. In the first instance, the Council were very concerned that the grade II listed building needed to be secured and its structural integrity investigated. In response, the owner has erected scaffolding in order to secure the site and commence surveying. There are dangerous buildings to the rear and some of these are being removed. It is anticipated that an application with be forthcoming and at that point it will be made publicly available for comments. It is unlikely (due to the scale and complexity of this site) to be for a number of months yet.
lyn
Dear Linda
I have discussed this matter with the City Design Manager and can confirm that the site in question has recently changed hands and discussions have taken place with both Planning and Building Control over the future redevelopment of the site. In the first instance, the Council were very concerned that the grade II listed building needed to be secured and its structural integrity investigated. In response, the owner has erected scaffolding in order to secure the site and commence surveying. There are dangerous buildings to the rear and some of these are being removed. It is anticipated that an application with be forthcoming and at that point it will be made publicly available for comments. It is unlikely (due to the scale and complexity of this site) to be for a number of months yet.
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I GOT THIS TODAY AS WELL.
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yes jan will follow this with interest now especially as it concerns my neck o the woods...i know what they mean though about there being dangerous buildings at the back of the gothic..to be honest on the gothic side there are a few along gt hampton st and constitution hill that are now looking dodgy...it would be wonderful if they all could be refurbished before its to late..
lyn
lyn
brianthelion
master brummie
A lot happier now we have that update!
Just one thing. I would hope that the council did check beforehand to ensure that there were no significant original features there that could be destroyed in the clearout. Probably no features, but do think this should always be checked, and if it wasn't this time then presumably wouldn't be on another occasion, when something might be lost
I didn't have time earlier to upload my reply to the email I received, here it is now.
brianthelion
master brummie
Nothing much left inside when I managed a sneaky look. Everything was either removed or stolen many years ago I think.
brianthelion
master brummie
Buildings around here certainly dangerous as one of the old factories on Hockley Street suffered a minor collapse earlier today. See evening mail for details.
brianthelion
master brummie
Was talking to the site manager yesterday and hopefully I will get a good look round inside soon. He was saying the roof is very close to collapse so they concentrating on doing what they can quickly in that area first.
Gilders Yard development is another Blackswan Properties project.
brianthelion
master brummie
It is indeed and as opposite me I had a fair bit of input into the planning stage and as far as it goes the end result should be ok. They are saving the bit worth saving and much better to have a development than a derelict factory which could have stayed that way for years. Still wondering when something will kick off on the empty plot next to St Paul's Metro stop.
brianthelion
master brummie
Big empty plot to left of entrance from constitution hill. Was originally going to follow on from my block when this was finished but that was the time of the last economic crash. Always said when that one starts again there must be some confidence around although I do worry there may be too many apartments soon. However all 3000 of those being built on the other side of the quarter are all presold but sadly it's all Chinese and Russian money. Suspect it's being laundered or squirrelled away by dubious characters from either country.
sospiri
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Brian,
We've had experience of both Chinese & Russian money here in Crete, and investors from both countries have had cashflow problems leaving the actual local constructors bereft of funds and unable to continue the development for several years until someone else steps in with cash. The Russian model is to sell off plan and to develop in several different countries simultaneously. Thus the money raised from pre-sales in one country was funding the development in another country. This is fine except that all the countries' developments are dependent upon financial stability in the other countries. If one has problems, it results in massive cashflow problems in the others too, the Russian investor's bankers pull their horns in, and all of a sudden everyone is left high and dry! Some one else will eventually take over the investment, in one case that took three years.
One massive Chinese development never got built. When the problems arose they merely said that if Greece built it, they would happily still manage it. If Greece had been able to build it, would they have involved China in the first place? Hopefully the developments near you will have no such problems.
Maurice
We've had experience of both Chinese & Russian money here in Crete, and investors from both countries have had cashflow problems leaving the actual local constructors bereft of funds and unable to continue the development for several years until someone else steps in with cash. The Russian model is to sell off plan and to develop in several different countries simultaneously. Thus the money raised from pre-sales in one country was funding the development in another country. This is fine except that all the countries' developments are dependent upon financial stability in the other countries. If one has problems, it results in massive cashflow problems in the others too, the Russian investor's bankers pull their horns in, and all of a sudden everyone is left high and dry! Some one else will eventually take over the investment, in one case that took three years.
One massive Chinese development never got built. When the problems arose they merely said that if Greece built it, they would happily still manage it. If Greece had been able to build it, would they have involved China in the first place? Hopefully the developments near you will have no such problems.
Maurice
brianthelion
master brummie
Just a big pyramid scheme really!
brianthelion
master brummie
Ditto!Quite - no one has the money to fund all the developments at once, and I'm not particularly criticising these countries as I'm sure it happens everywhere. Just a shock for those doing the real work. Just glad that I'm retired!
Maurice
brianthelion
master brummie
And finally as I wandered around I went by a City Council regeneration project and took the chance of an open door to pinch a pic of the staircase tiling!Hi Guys
Dont forget if anybody remembers that many years ago there was a YMCA for single men more or less across the road from the Gothic and it covered the corner and aboth claytons music shop , thats why i think they moved out because of the down and out of druggs and trouble within them above the police was regular visiteors there and it wasb taken over by a one time organised housing associationby the name of shape whom own houses all over birmingham they was at the bottom of bradford street plus i do not know whether or not as i left brum years ago across from there as well was the sally army hostil had new build for the accomodation whether its still there i do not know and giving the vast number of homeless familys and homeless people it could be an accomdation building regarding if its a listed building after all it does not mean they will demolish it does it really i cannot see it being turned into a hotel and may i had guys just look at the kingedward pub lichfield road we was toldits a listed building but they demoed that plus the fact other listed building have been bulldozed down before now and on the subject i can recall that pub from the fifties and i remember it closed down for a while and then there was an asian family took it over and painted it a deeper pink it was horrible and the regulars stopped using it and closed down for years and it was painted from the top of the building down to the low ground obvisiouly some was painted in white three parts down to make it pleasant enough
Dont forget if anybody remembers that many years ago there was a YMCA for single men more or less across the road from the Gothic and it covered the corner and aboth claytons music shop , thats why i think they moved out because of the down and out of druggs and trouble within them above the police was regular visiteors there and it wasb taken over by a one time organised housing associationby the name of shape whom own houses all over birmingham they was at the bottom of bradford street plus i do not know whether or not as i left brum years ago across from there as well was the sally army hostil had new build for the accomodation whether its still there i do not know and giving the vast number of homeless familys and homeless people it could be an accomdation building regarding if its a listed building after all it does not mean they will demolish it does it really i cannot see it being turned into a hotel and may i had guys just look at the kingedward pub lichfield road we was toldits a listed building but they demoed that plus the fact other listed building have been bulldozed down before now and on the subject i can recall that pub from the fifties and i remember it closed down for a while and then there was an asian family took it over and painted it a deeper pink it was horrible and the regulars stopped using it and closed down for years and it was painted from the top of the building down to the low ground obvisiouly some was painted in white three parts down to make it pleasant enough
