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Battle Of The Somme 1 July Centenary

Vivienne14

Vivienne14

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Today is 100 years since the start of the Battle of the Somme. Let's remember those who fought for us. Tell us about your ancestors who fought. Viv.

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Captain Arthur Brooke Turner, a Birmingham solicitor, was injured on the first day of the Somme. His uniform is on display at Blakesley Hall, along with other artifacts and film screenings. Viv.

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Remembering three Old Veseyans/Suttonians who lost their lives on this day:

2/Lt. George Russell Courtney Martin (aged 24), 1/6th Warks, of Hartopp Court.
2/Lt. Sidney Joseph Winkley (20) 1/6th Warks, of Hartopp Road.
2/Lt. Stanley John Ellison (19), 1st/5th S. Staffs of "Wyndhurst", Driffold.

At least 12 more would follow them over the coming weeks in the same battle.

(Source: "Pro Patria Mori", 1999, by Dave Phillips)

Chris
 
Vivienne14 said:
Today is 100 years since the start of the Battle of the Somme. Let's remember those who fought for us.
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While it is right we remember those who fought for us I cant hep but get angry at the total waste of human life caused by the various generals and leaders from around Europe at the time.

The scale of death and injury suffered by those at the Somme (and other WW1 battles) should have made the generals and leaders hang their head in shame and aim for peace as soon as possible.

But they did not, and the war carried on for a couple more years.

I recently read a book about WW1 and it covers the Battle of Verdun, which was the Germans fighting to capture Verdun from the French. As this did not involve the British it is less well known by British people.

The Battle of Verdun lasted from February to December 1916 and it is estimated there was about 1 million casualties with about 300,000 killed (estimates vary).

And with all that loss of life the Germans never took Verdun.

Sorry, not wishing to take anything away from the Somme, but sadly this sort of carnage was going on all over the Western Front in WW1.

Such a tragic waste.
 
Absolutely guilbert. The numbers are almost unimaginable. And battles didn't come to an end very quickly either, dragging on and on, sometimes to achieve what seems so little (in terms of ground gained etc.). I have gone over many hundreds of WW1 records and war diaries and the loss and suffering is heartbreaking. The sacrifice made should never be forgotten. The least we can do is pay tribute to those as each anniversary emerges so that our successors follow us in remembering them too. Viv.
 
my rellie...

HARRY FROGETT
BORN HOCKLEY
RESIDENCE ASTON

KINGS ROYAL RIFLE CORPS..BATTALION 16..KIA AT THE SOMME 6TH NOV 1916..AGE 21 JUST A FEW MONTHS AFTER GETTING MARRIED...ON THE ROLL OF HONOUR AT WINCHESTER CATHEDRAL ALSO HONOURED ON THE THIEPVAL MEMORIAL..

GOD BLESS THEM ALL..

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My Great Grandmother had 6 brothers and 4 of them lost their lives in the First World War, i'm currently researching them but unfortunately its such a common surname that the results are going to take a lot of weeding out, not helped by the fact that i'm not sure yet which four perished. Its probable that some of them fought and maybe died at the Somme.

Here at the library I organised a small display of related books to be put out in the foyer to mark the centenary.

Simon
 
Simon4130 said:
My Great Grandmother had 6 brothers and 4 of them lost their lives in the First World War, i'm currently researching them but unfortunately its such a common surname that the results are going to take a lot of weeding out, not helped by the fact that i'm not sure yet which four perished. Its probable that some of them fought and maybe died at the Somme.

Here at the library I organised a small display of related books to be put out in the foyer to mark the centenary.

Simon
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Simon I have a book with a huge amount of names in, what name are you looking for.
 
Simon4130 said:
My Great Grandmother had 6 brothers and 4 of them lost their lives in the First World War, i'm currently researching them but unfortunately its such a common surname that the results are going to take a lot of weeding out, not helped by the fact that i'm not sure yet which four perished. Its probable that some of them fought and maybe died at the Somme.

Here at the library I organised a small display of related books to be put out in the foyer to mark the centenary.

Simon
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hi simon such a massive loss for just one family....good luck with your research hope you find what you are looking for

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I would like to record and remember MAJOR ALFRED ARMSTRONG CADDICK, 8th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died aged 44 on this day 100 years ago, 1st July 1916. He is remembered with honour on the Thiepval Memorial. He had been on active service since the outbreak of the war serving in France since April 1915. He had two brothers who were also serving in different areas at the same time. They achieved what was probably a unique distinction in that all three were mentioned for "Distinguished Conduct" in the same dispatch in January 1916. In civilian life he was in practice as a solicitor and Deputy Town Clerk of West Bromwich. He was a member of Sandwell Park Golf Club who lost five other members in the conflict, Lieut. R. STANDEFORD PULLEN, Lieut. H.G.NEVILLE, Capt. G.F.SILVESTER, Lieut.R.MAXWELL TRIMBLE, and the club professional, Cpl. J.E.EDWARDS.
 
My father-In-Law Arthur William Hayward of 1/8thBtn Royal Warwickshire Regiment fought at the Somme and was a survivor and was invalided out in 1917. We have been researching his army life and know that he was a territorial and enlisted about 1909 but we do not know where he was born in Birmingham or where he spent his early life.
 
Hope you can uncover more information in time Simon, don't give up.

Allan that must be exceptional for all 3 brothers to be awarded the DCM, and named in the SAME despatch! But then there's little consolation when there's loss of life. Viv.
 
What a terrible terrible waste of young men's lives, was it worth it ? It's Governments who start these wars, but it is the ordinary man/woman in the street who fight them and lose their lives, often not sure of the reason for going to war. I despair of the human race. Eric
 
Vivienne14 said:
Hope you can uncover more information in time Simon, don't give up.

Allan that must be exceptional for all 3 brothers to be awarded the DCM, and named in the SAME despatch! But then there's little consolation when there's loss of life. Viv.
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Viv,
The brothers were not awarded the DCM. They were mentioned in despatches for distinguished conduct in the same despatch. This, it itself, was an award called the MID' The recipients received a certificate and were entitled to wear a bronze spray of oak leaves. The despatches were in the London Gazette and indicated that the person concerned had performed a meritous act but not quite worthy of a medal. In the war diaries only officers were recorded by name. Everyone else was listed as other ranks (e.g 1 named officer killed + 35 other ranks) As a result was mainly officers who were mentioned in despatches
Nevertheless it was a coincidence for the brothers to be named in the same despatch although their actions were not necessarily on the same day or in the same theatre of war.
Old Boy
 
PatHayward said:
My father-In-Law Arthur William Hayward of 1/8thBtn Royal Warwickshire Regiment fought at the Somme and was a survivor and was invalided out in 1917. We have been researching his army life and know that he was a territorial and enlisted about 1909 but we do not know where he was born in Birmingham or where he spent his early life.
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Hi Pat,
My uncle was in the Territorial Army pre 1914. I know that he was in the Royal Warwickshire Regt and feel sure that it was 1/8th Battalion that he served. Unfortunately I have mislaid the details in a recent house move but will have a good look for them in the next day or so. The point I wish to make, however, that he paraded at the BSA, Small Heath and I imagine that all the members either worked at BSA or lived nearby. My uncle did both . Sadly he was killed at Passchendale on 28 August 1917.

Chris Beresford (Old Boy)
 
Thanks Old boy. Just a small point, the War Diaries do occasionally mention soldiers who weren't officers. Viv.
 
PatHayward said:
My father-In-Law Arthur William Hayward of 1/8thBtn Royal Warwickshire Regiment fought at the Somme and was a survivor and was invalided out in 1917. We have been researching his army life and know that he was a territorial and enlisted about 1909 but we do not know where he was born in Birmingham or where he spent his early life.
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Do you have a date of birth? The more info you can put then the easier it might be for someone to help.
Janice
 
My Great Uncle KRRC 8075 L/Sgt ARTHUR EDWIN BOTT b. 1891 Birmingham d. France 27-7-1916.

A man who gave his life along with many, many others so that we can live free.

I never knew him but I have learnt about him thanks to the internet. R.I.P
 
Old Boy said:
Hi Pat,
My uncle was in the Territorial Army pre 1914. I know that he was in the Royal Warwickshire Regt and feel sure that it was 1/8th Battalion that he served. Unfortunately I have mislaid the details in a recent house move but will have a good look for them in the next day or so. The point I wish to make, however, that he paraded at the BSA, Small Heath and I imagine that all the members either worked at BSA or lived nearby. My uncle did both . Sadly he was killed at Passchendale on 28 August 1917.

Chris Beresford (Old Boy)
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Old Boy said:
Hi Pat,
My uncle was in the Territorial Army pre 1914. I know that he was in the Royal Warwickshire Regt and feel sure that it was 1/8th Battalion that he served. Unfortunately I have mislaid the details in a recent house move but will have a good look for them in the next day or so. The point I wish to make, however, that he paraded at the BSA, Small Heath and I imagine that all the members either worked at BSA or lived nearby. My uncle did both . Sadly he was killed at Passchendale on 28 August 1917.

Chris Beresford (Old Boy)
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Pat,
You seem to have sent back my original message with no comment.
Chris Beresford (Old Boy)
 
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