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Sutton Coldfield War Memorial

mindy1459

mindy1459

A Hockley Lass
I am currently researching the names of WW1 fallen of Sutton Coldfield War Memorial.
There are 355 WW1 names on the memorial and I've been successful in tracking down the majority of them. However, there are a few that I am struggling to find and/or find the relationship to Sutton Coldfield.
I am listing the names as they are on the memorial and would be glad of any help anyone can offer.


Garner W
Goodwin W
Green H W
Green T W
Jackson G E
Jeans F
Jeffries G A
Johnson W H M
Knott E M
Mercer T
Mercer W
Owen W
Perrett D - this name is inscribed twice on the memorial I have found one - DV Perrett.
Platt W
Pring P
Seeley H
Slater J H
Woodward H I


Any help with these names would be truly appreciated


Thanks - Trish.
 
Hi Janice,

Yes, there are a couple of names that are the same as Boldmere St Michael's, and they are problematic.

However, if any one can help, that would be great.
I've posted the list here because it's mind boggling that I cannot currently find anything.

I have found a reference to a Mercer surname, but it quite simply says that he died at the same time as another WW1 casualty but no indication of first name or initials.

Regards, Trish.
 
I will have a look and see what I can find. WHat info do you want if I can find any??

Janice
 
Hi Trish

I wonder if this is E.M. Knott? Details taken from CWCG

E. M. Knott
Died 03/05/1919
Captain - Royal Air Force 1st Communication Squadron.
Awards: AFC
Grave Reference: A. "C". 413 Sutton Coldfield Cemetery

I believe AFC means Air Force Cross.

Suzanne
 
A master at Bishop Vesey's published a book listing all the ex-pupils who fell during the Great War. You may have already used it in your earlier researches, Trish, but I mention it just in case you haven't...

Chris
 
Trish

CWCG has a Harry Woodward (no initial "I" though) who died 06 June 1917 aged 23. Lance Corporal, service No. 14/723 Royal Warwickshire Regiment, 14th Bn.
Cemetery, Boldmere (St. Michael) Churchyard. Grave reference 060.
Son of Sam & Eliza Woodward, 266 Highbridge Road, Wylde Green, Birmingham.
Ancestry has his place of birth as Sutton Coldfield.
Think his birth was registered as Henry Ivins Woodward OND 1893 Aston.
Suzanne
 
Hi Dave M

How interesting that you have these pics. Did you go round taking photos in case they came in useful?

Well done.

Suzanne
 
smtr said:
Hi Dave M

How interesting that you have these pics. Did you go round taking photos in case they came in useful?

Well done.

Suzanne
Click to expand...

Suzanne I`m a volunteer for The War Graves Photographic Project
 
Dave M,
thank you for posting these pics, excellent stuff.
I had partial information for E M Knott, but you have given me more, how I missed the CWCG is bewildering, I have been cross referencing everything so must have confused myself!

Suzanne,
I do have the info fo H Woodward, but there is also H I Woodward.
On the 1911census I have found Henry Irvin Woodward of Highbridge Road Sutton Coldfield, but cannot as yet find any military info on him.

I have also been trudging round the local cemeteries taking pictures of the headstones of WW1 fallen.
I would advise anyone who does this at St Barnabas in Erdington to be extremely careful because in certain places it is vey over grown and also very uneven ground, so make certain of a sure footing.

regards Trish
 
Hi Janice,
Any info at all would be great, service record and personal details, as much as you can find/offer.

Thanks
Trish
 
H W Green:

[h=2]GREEN, H W[/h]Rank:Second LieutenantDate of Death:16/08/1917Age:34Regiment/Service:Royal Sussex Regiment 5th Bn.Grave ReferenceVIII. E. 5.CemeteryVLAMERTINGHE NEW MILITARY CEMETERY[h=3]Additional Information:[/h]Son of Mrs. Green (now Stanton), of The Cottage, Shenfoot Lane, Four Oaks, and the late William Green. (I suspect this should be Sherifoot Lane Four Oaks).


I will see if I can find him on the censuses to confirm his name.
Janice
 
Herbert William Green, I also found him today Janice.
Thank you, we are inching our way forward on these names.

Trish
 
Although I found him on CWGC, I have yet to find Herbert W Green on census.

However, I have found another one:

KELLEY, VICTOR JAMES (surname spelt Kelly in census)


Rank:
Private
Service No:
7531
Date of Death:
08/07/1917
Age:
19
Regiment/Service:
The King's (Liverpool Regiment)

10th Bn.
Grave Reference
North of West end of church.
Cemetery
WALMLEY (ST. JOHN) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:
Son of Mrs. H. E. Hart (formerly Kelley), of Ash Farm, Minworth, Birmingham, and the late Joseph Kelley.

trish
 
I too have not found Herbert William Green on the census but I did find his Mother and Stepfather at the address listed on his CWGC record.

Janice
 
Sarah Ann Green married George Stanton in 1902.

Found Herbert on the 1891 living with his aunt Elizabeth Rugg Wright(mistranscibed Waight) in Daventry.

Herbert William Green birth registered Wincanton (area for Bruton where he was born) Somerset Dec 1892.
He was the son of William Green and Sarah Ann Williams who married in Exeter in 1869 when Sarah was 20 years old.
Sarah Ann Williams born 1849 was the younger sister of Elizabeth Rugg Williams born 1841 both in Heavitree Devon.
Possibly living with his aunt to give his Mom a break, LOL.
children of Sarah and william all born Bruton
1870 Allan
1873 Ada
1875 William
1877 Maude
1879 Ethel
1880 Edward
1882 Herbert
1885 Tom
1886 Frederick

William Green died in 1886. Bruton.
Sarah and the children minus Herbert are at Trendle Hill, Bruton,Somerset in 1891.
 
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There is a Herbert Williams Green born Bruton abt 1883 listed on the 1911 census as Headmaster of Public Boys Elementary School in Eastbourne - could this be him??

Janice
 
I would have thought that maybe how he came to be in the Royal Sussex Regiment.

In 1901 he is living in Torquay age 18 b Bruton 4th year PT in elementary school.
He is nephew to Heinrich Muller born Germany and his wife Hannah born Devon.
 
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Hi to Trish et al
i too as part of the Sutton Coldfield Great War Project have been researching these names.
we have a lot of research combing the Bishop Vesey School work Boldmere Church St James work plus several individual contributors.
I have sent pdfs out widely and to the libraries and Trish has my contact details but I got her email wrong
The generic group email is [email protected]
i have photos of some medals scrolls etc that have been loaned to me and scanned and some interesting family editions
please email if you would like the pdfs
Yvonne
 
Tom William Green also on the memorial was the brother of Herbert William Green
i have his details too
their mother went to live with George Stanton in Mere Green in between 1901-1911 but I did not find the marriage
think they must have met in Northamptonshire
there are no other links for the men to Sutton Coldfield
 
There are a group of researchers - including a teacher at Bishop Vesey Grammar School, members of St James and St Michaels chuches (Mere Green and Boldmere), YMCA, Cricket Club, Hill Allotments, plus others who have formed suttoncoldfieldgreatwarproject.
We are willing to share the work freely and invite others to join us.
The generic email is [email protected]
 
Have info on
William Collett Goodwin RGA 109975
d 31.12.18
buried St James Mere Green

The Green boys from Bruton

George Edward Francis Jeans
RWR 1/7th 268201 d 2.3.17

William Herbert Johnson
RASC S4/042129

Edward Middleton Knott as already noted

William Mercer
kings royal rifles 9th A/1970
d 16.7.15
14 Newhall Street

signed up with our great uncle Thomas H Stonehouse

W Platt buried St James Mere Green - am on iphone and his details on PC

Percy Pring - on Boldmere list again have details on PC

James Henry Slater
Worcs reg 2nd bttn 35905
on Walmley memorial
Harry or Harvey Ivins Woodward on Boldmere list
 
Think we are looking at Thomas Daniel Mercer b 1879 Minworth Greaves S/C
1881 Minworth Greaves
parents Edward and Elizabeth
1891 Tamworth Road Sutton Coldfield

1901Birchley Heath Ansley Warks
father farmer Thomas farmers son
1911 39 Marsh Lane Erdington
Thomas Daniel 31 farm bailiff b
Ethel Mary 35 b Hartshill
Elizabeth Mary 2 b Erdington

Thomas Daniel m Ethel Mary Lees 6.8.1907 Ansley

not finding a military history yet
living on Tamworth Road he probably knew T H Stonehouse who lived 41 Tamworth Road
Stonehouse knew the other Mercer - were they related
Researching on iphone so hard going
 
I am not convinced that is the right one as there is a death for Thomas D Mercer in Atherstone (where the Ansley marriage is registered) in 1968.

There is another Thomas Mercer in Erdington on the 1911 census. He lived in Gravelly Lane and was married to Florence. I will see if I can trace him further.
Janice
 
Hi Janice
Many thanks for your reply. I have checked both men again and agree about the Atherstone death.
So far it is hard to link the other man to a regiment.
I have played around with just putting T Mercer in but nothing jumps out as obvious!
I hope you have some luck or bright ideas!
We have so many men to research it becomes a case of leaving the queries and moving on then going back later.
I have someone who is going over my first batch of research rechecking which is fantastic.
I really appreciate any help offered.
Best wishes
Yvonne
 
HI Yvonne
I agree that nothing leaps out with connections to a military record for any T Mercer. I find possibles and then realise they are too old or live in the wrong place. It is such a pity that more of the CWGC records do not have next of kin. I will see what I can do.

Janice
 
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