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are there any maps info on new john street my family lived at 100 new john street thanks
 
Below is a map c 1912 showing no 100 New john St in red. I take it you do definitely mean New John St, not New john St West , which runs off to the left of New John St
Mike

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My gt grandparents lived at a couple of addresses in New John Street - No 2 Court in 1901 and Back of 164 in 1902. Does anyone have a map that shows where these were? I see from the map in the previous thread that no street numbers appear to be marked. I presume that cross-referencing with a directory can help identify the house numbers.
 
Below is a map c 1913 showing court 2 in blue and what is presumably back 164 in red. No 164 is the house immediately on New John St, so presumably the red house is back 164. The alleyway which goes up beside them is not named either on large scale 1889 map or later smaller scale maps, or in directories around that time

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Thanks mike jee for the map. Very useful. My gt gt grandfather was a brass worker and I suspect that he probably worked close by as there are a number of brass foundries in the immediate area.
 
My maternal grandparents lived at No.46 New John Street, about 4 houses up from the side of Elkington Street School,
it was previously a small pub The Hope & Anchor, I would love to see a photo of when it was a pub.
 
sylviasayers said:
My maternal grandparents lived at No.46 New John Street, about 4 houses up from the side of Elkington Street School,
it was previously a small pub The Hope & Anchor, I would love to see a photo of when it was a pub.
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hello sylv....im pretty sure i dont have a photo of the hope and anchor..maybe someone else has one but i will certainly do a search for you...

mike i wonder if you could edit you last map and highlight where the hope and anchor was please..

thanks mike..

lyn
 
The photo would be quite early as the pub disappeared between the 1899 & 1900 Kellys .

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thanks for the map mike..could be difficult to find a photo then but you never know..will keep my eyes open for one..

lyn
 
Thanks Mike for highlighting my grandparents house, I do remember it as I was about 10 or 11 when they died. It must have been a very small pub, only one room downstairs but it had a large bay window complete with window seat which I liked to sit on. My grandma did most of her cooking in the range in the fireplace but also had a gas cooker in the very small scullery. Lyn thanks for offering to look out for a photo - a long shot I fear.
 
hi sylv...as many of you know by now my motto has always been never give up looking they could be out there somewhere..we can edge our bets with this one by looking for a pic of when it actually the hope and anchorandr keeping our eyes open for more photos of new john st which could show it as your grandparents house..

lyn
 
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Thanks Lyn for your encouragement, it isn't impossible, I have one of the Rose & Crown, Lichfield Street, (later Corporation Street) I think, which my g.g. grandfather ran in 1845, don't know the date of the photo though, which John Houghton found for me, and posted on the forum.
 
sylviasayers said:
Thanks Lyn for your encouragement, it isn't impossible, I have one of the Rose & Crown, Lichfield Street, (later Corporation Street) I think, which my g.g. grandfather ran in 1845, don't know the date of the photo though, which John Houghton found for me, and posted on the forum.
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thats the ticket sylv never say never...i have added new john st to my list of photos to look for next time i visit the libary archives...i have a feeling there maybe more new john pics to be had yet....did not know your gg grandad ran the rose and crown lichfield st..im sure i have a pic of that but it could well be the one john found for you...will check my files for you..

lyn
 
I just Came across this post. My grandfather kept pubs in Aston in the early 1900s. In 1911 he was managing the Hope & Anchor and in 1915 he was managing the Castle Tavern. The photo below is from one of the pubs he kept. Not sure which one. It may be the Hope & Anchor but I have no way of telling.

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Have enlarged and sharpened a little in the hope of seeing something, but cannot see anything that might be helpful, though it was a six pump bar, which would have thought meant it was a substantial pub, though that is just s speculation and may not mean anything

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Do the labels on the bottles indicate anything? Such as Ansells labels ? Could it be the Ansells sloping signature and squirrel ? Not sure. Viv.

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Thanks for the feedback, I understand the Hope & Anchor was a small neighborhood pub but I do not know anything about the Castle Tavern other than I found my grandfather registered as the manager. Do you have any info on the Castle Tavern? Was it in Aston or one of the surrounding areas?

Thanks again for your input
 
do you have an actually address for either of these pubs..(ie from the census papers) as we may be able to supply a photograph of them but as there may have been more than one pub with these names without street or road names maybe only guess work

lyn
 
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Note Dis 4 82 Vauxhall Road Hope & Anchor Griffin
My Great Grandfather was Joseph Griffin and lived at this address in the 1911 census
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thanks for that info griff ...will see if i have any photos of those pubs and get back to you if i do...there maybe other members who can help as well..

just as an aside i noticed in that list of pubs are 2 of my rellies running pubs (which i knew about)...doyle and checketts

lyn
 
Great, I am pleased to have helped you with relatives. That is a good site for pub info.
Look forward to hearing if there any photos of Hope and Anchor or The Castle Tavern
 
griff my ancestors were great publicans as well and i have photos of most them that they ran even though they are long since gone...so we now have the address of the hope and anchor which will help..was 94 upper trinity st where the castle tavern was?? when i have time tonight i will search through the many pub photos i have for you...fingers crossed:)

lyn
 
thats great griff so we are looking a photo of the hope and anchor 82 vauxhall road and the castle tavern 94 upper trinity st....i can say that the castle tavern is no longer there as i have just done a google street walk...only a guess but i will be surprised if the hope and anchor is still there..but as i said fingers crossed as there are lots of old photos out there..

lyn
 
Should first point out for clarity that the year of the directories is the year of publication, and the date of the survey from which the information is based is usually taken as the year before the publication year.
That said from other directories:
1903. No Joseph Griffin listed.
1904. Joseph Griffin, Eagle & Ball PH. 12 Penn St
1908, 1910 Joseph Griffin beerseller. 41 Trevor St, Nechells
1921, No Joseph Griffin listed.

The term beerseller means that it was either a beerhouse, which had a licence only to sell beer and cider on the premises (and was probably a small pub), or an off- licence , which could only sell alcohol for consumption off the premises. The Eagle & Ball, by comparison was a full scale pub,. so a bit of a come-down from the Eagle & Ball to a beerhouse.
A photo of the Eagle & Ball, which more recently was known as Moby Dicks (Ugh) is below

There is also a John C. Griffin , beerseller at various addresses in Balsall Heath at this time. Could he be related?

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Thanks Mikejee. I'll see what else I can find on the Eagle & Ball and 41 Trevor Street. I agree unlikely a Publican would take that step down.

Thanks for the info and photo.
 

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This photo notes Navigation Street so I wonder if there was a street name change or its a different pub
 
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This photo notes Navigation Street so I wonder if there was a street name change or its a different pub
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Which photo are you referring to?. Certainly, from maps, Navigation Street has been called that from 1778, and did not appear to exist in 17.50
 
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