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Any old Brummies moved to the USA?

I have a very tentative link with the USA, my Nan used to say that someone in the family left his wife and and went off to America where he was shot after being accused of cheating at a card game!

Wish I'd questioned her more about that but she probably didn't know much more. However, having since found out a little more about my Gt Grandfather, I think it's possible that it was his father. I know his parents married and then his father seems to have disappeared and his mother remarried when he was a boy.
 
I have a very tentative link with the USA, my Nan used to say that someone in the family left his wife and and went off to America where he was shot after being accused of cheating at a card game!

Wish I'd questioned her more about that but she probably didn't know much more. However, having since found out a little more about my Gt Grandfather, I think it's possible that it was his father. I know his parents married and then his father seems to have disappeared and his mother remarried when he was a boy.
Never play cards with anyone called Doc... I have a dodgy Grandfather, who took his prize bulldogs to America to make money. He sold some, but the family legend was that he bet on an English champion named Dockleaf who lost a 20 mile walking race with the American champion King Orry and lost a substantial amount of money. Dockleaf collapsed, poor animal. Grandfather returned with his tail between his legs.
 
All in a place called Oroville (City of Gold) in the Sacramento Valley, a thriving town which a couple of years previously had been nothing but scrubland. Amongst much else that fascinates me is exactly how he got there in those days before the transcontinental railroad and the Panama Canal. Unlike a number of those new towns, Oroville survived the departure of the miners to pastures new, such as Nevada, and thrives to this day.
Currently I live about 10 miles from Oroville the (City of Gold). Sadly, these days Oroville is the punchline to many a bad joke, a kind of remote outpost of poverty, ignorance and desperation. The locals have a strong affinity for meth and to most it is a place to avoid entirely. Oroville was in the world-wide news a few years ago when the massive earthen dam that sits above it had a catastrophic failure and 150,000 people had to be evacuated. A total collapse of the structure was avoided but had the dam burst, Oroville would have been gone forever...
 
Currently I live about 10 miles from Oroville the (City of Gold). Sadly, these days Oroville is the punchline to many a bad joke, a kind of remote outpost of poverty, ignorance and desperation. The locals have a strong affinity for meth and to most it is a place to avoid entirely. Oroville was in the world-wide news a few years ago when the massive earthen dam that sits above it had a catastrophic failure and 150,000 people had to be evacuated. A total collapse of the structure was avoided but had the dam burst, Oroville would have been gone forever...
Unfortunately MV52, I think you are at the end of the beginning in CA. A state I loved SO much when I came to the US. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
 
Currently I live about 10 miles from Oroville the (City of Gold). Sadly, these days Oroville is the punchline to many a bad joke, a kind of remote outpost of poverty, ignorance and desperation. The locals have a strong affinity for meth and to most it is a place to avoid entirely. Oroville was in the world-wide news a few years ago when the massive earthen dam that sits above it had a catastrophic failure and 150,000 people had to be evacuated. A total collapse of the structure was avoided but had the dam burst, Oroville would have been gone forever...
Thank you for that, mv52. Quite a coincidence, living so close. It sounds as though the verb "thrive" is overstating the case a bit, although I suppose it is a relative term in any case!

I did quite a lot of work in the late 1990s trying to pin down my great-grandfather's years in Oroville. Only limited success as I think that he arrived, and then left again, too early for the scant local records to have picked him up. He shared his surname (Myers) with the name of one of the major streets and this caused me to ponder on any possible connections. It sounds as though that street was named after an early leading citizen, perhaps a judge, by the name of Benjamin Myers, and certainly a contemporary of my great-grandfather. In that case, it wasn't my gt-grandfather who was a Henry; but I did wonder whether that was some family connection which would help to explain his extraordinary decision to set off into the unknown, and to this place in particular, whilst still barely out of his teens.

I had quite a bit of help from a local historian by the name of Jim Lenhoff, now long since departed. He was custodian of a nearby abandoned Gold Rush settlement which I think became a tourist attraction. I have done what I can to trace Henry's path and experience and I might, one of these days, put it online (but not here, though - although a possible title might justify the Brum connection: let's say "Birmingham to Butte County - and Back Again!")

Here is Henry, now a comfortable Birmingham citizen in around 1874, about 15 years after his return to England, and living in Monmouth Street. He is with his second wife, Rose, my gt-grandmother having died in 1872. I wonder what stories he told his own sons about his time in the earliest years of California. And how I wish they had come down to me!


Chris

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I omitted to mention earlier, when talking about a family tradition for sons to go out to the USA "to make men out of 'em", was that my great-grandfather Henry similarly encouraged?permitted? not only his elder son, Charles (who later became my grandfather) but also (by Rose) his younger one, Maurice, as well.

Maurice landed up in New York, probably in the mid-1890s. Again, little is known about his time there but what did happen was that he was involved in a shooting incident (I hope he wasn't the card sharp mentioned previously) which he survived but caused him to lose his sight. A less happy outcome than that of his father and elder brother. Again, no other details. But Great-Uncle Maurice had a useful life, becoming influential in the Birmingham Institute for the Blind in Carpenter Road, Edgbaston and was amongst other things a leading stenographer, once taking dictation from King George V.

Here he is in later life, with his machine, in the 1920s. Again, no lingering stories or explanations.....

Chris

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Rupertstill, thanks for your perception living in Canada. I visited Calgary about 30 years ago and was astonished at the high tech high-rise offices in the centre with the mountains around. All built on gas, oil and mining I believe.

Let's hope for wiser politics.
And cowboys - the Calgary Stampede! But 30 years ago it was a major telecom hub (Nortel etc) up to Y2K. Our next door but one neighbour from Northfield is in Calgary.
We've been in the US for 30 years (Maine to South Carolina), my sister in Denver and a nephew in Oz. On my Ancestry, all of my forebears for 3 generations were within a 3 mile radius of Deritend. The location chart looks like an hourglass - previous generations were all drawn into Brum from London, Cornwall, Shrops & Salop, while recent generations have either stayed within a 10 mile radius or moved out to the corners of the globe.
 
On my last visit to the States I'd been down in the Carolinas, I was happily driving along air-con on listening to classic music on the radio when the presenter broke in and announced "The temperature in Raleigh has just topped one hundred degrees.", just as I passed the Welcome to Raleigh road sign.
 
And cowboys - the Calgary Stampede! But 30 years ago it was a major telecom hub (Nortel etc) up to Y2K. Our next door but one neighbour from Northfield is in Calgary.
We've been in the US for 30 years (Maine to South Carolina), my sister in Denver and a nephew in Oz. On my Ancestry, all of my forebears for 3 generations were within a 3 mile radius of Deritend. The location chart looks like an hourglass - previous generations were all drawn into Brum from London, Cornwall, Shrops & Salop, while recent generations have either stayed within a 10 mile radius or moved out to the corners of the globe.
I'd forgotten the Stampede! But the airport was setting out bales of hay as we flew back to the UK. Spent some time in Banff and walking in the mountains. A beautiful place. I had gone to an international conference on a Russian philosopher, Mikhail Bakhtin. The head of the English dept was married to an oil man, so we got to eat at his ranch in the hills. An enormous quarter of beef was roasted out of doors.
 
On my last visit to the States I'd been down in the Carolinas, I was happily driving along air-con on listening to classic music on the radio when the presenter broke in and announced "The temperature in Raleigh has just topped one hundred degrees.", just as I passed the Welcome to Raleigh road sign.
It’s been over 100 the past three days in middle TN, very uncomfortable and unusual here. We had some rain today now it’s like a sauna!
Eric, the Raleigh/Fayetteville areas in NC are always the hot spots!
 
How will you spend the 4th July? Do you think of yourself as American? How did you get your green card? Do share your story!

I guess the fireworks are the consequence of the software. But they prompted my questions. Also if you are American living here in the UK, why did you join this board? Do you have family connections to Birmingham UK? Feel free to post wider family or cultural connections too.
I'm a yank now with a funny accent. I married my secretary in Spain in 1974...She was originally from Cuba but became an American due to her mother( who was from Boston) in order to escape Castro...we moved to Miami with a green card thanks to her dad who sponsored me...later joined Goodyear in Ohio....who sent me to Australia( not as a convict) moved me again to Japan in 1985 then to Singapore in 1994 from Singapore in 1998 to Manila...retired in 2000 moved back to Ohio . became and American in 2005... tired of moving. I still miss England , yearn for a pork pie, a pint of bitter, a game of cricket etc...i only have a cousin left of my family...cheers Grahame Smith
 
I'm a yank now with a funny accent. I married my secretary in Spain in 1974...She was originally from Cuba but became an American due to her mother( who was from Boston) in order to escape Castro...we moved to Miami with a green card thanks to her dad who sponsored me...later joined Goodyear in Ohio....who sent me to Australia( not as a convict) moved me again to Japan in 1985 then to Singapore in 1994 from Singapore in 1998 to Manila...retired in 2000 moved back to Ohio . became and American in 2005... tired of moving. I still miss England , yearn for a pork pie, a pint of bitter, a game of cricket etc...i only have a cousin left of my family...cheers Grahame Smith
That's an amazing story, Grahame! Thanks for sharing it. Traditional beer and pork pies are still available here with various varieties of cricket (some like the 100 far from traditional!) Derek
 
Nice to read all of your stories...I left the UK in 1973 moved to Madrid , met and married my secretary( a Cuban gal who became a yank to escape Castro) we moved to Miami in 75 then to Goodyear in 78 who sent me to Australia ( not as a convict) moved to Japan in 85 then to Singapore in 94 then to Manila in 98 retired back to the US in 2000....became a true Yank in 2005..retired to Colfax NC in 2021
 
I left Brum (Perry Barr) in 1958 at age18, after working as a telephone trainee for the Post Office Telephones (started at the exchange on Willmore Rd) and followed my brother to NYC. We worked for an uncle who owned a very successful steak house in Manhattan and tried our hand at becoming restauranteurs extraordinaire. We failed, thank goodness. I went on to have a career in telecommunications, during which I returned to the UK several times for meetings with BT. Snuck up to Brum each time and visited my old mates. A pint or two at the "Tennis Court" pub was always on the agenda. Retired now in Florida, riding my Phillips bike each morning. It was made in Brum, just like me, but is 7 years younger. I've found you can take the kid out of Brum, but you can't take Brum out of the kid.
Cheers to all,
Patrick
 
I left Brum (Perry Barr) in 1958 at age18, after working as a telephone trainee for the Post Office Telephones (started at the exchange on Willmore Rd) and followed my brother to NYC. We worked for an uncle who owned a very successful steak house in Manhattan and tried our hand at becoming restauranteurs extraordinaire. We failed, thank goodness. I went on to have a career in telecommunications, during which I returned to the UK several times for meetings with BT. Snuck up to Brum each time and visited my old mates. A pint or two at the "Tennis Court" pub was always on the agenda. Retired now in Florida, riding my Phillips bike each morning. It was made in Brum, just like me, but is 7 years younger. I've found you can take the kid out of Brum, but you can't take Brum out of the kid.
Cheers to all,
Patrick
Looks like we are about the same age...I left Brum in 1956 at age 16. I still cycle but it's not a Phillips. My daughter has a place in Fort Myers and we spent Christmas there. I took my bike for the first time and cycled every day while there. Being flat makes cycling a lot easier. I spend the remainder of the winter in St Simons Island in Georgia, which is also flat, so all you have to worry about is the wind direction.
Dave A
 
Looks like we are about the same age...I left Brum in 1956 at age 16. I still cycle but it's not a Phillips. My daughter has a place in Fort Myers and we spent Christmas there. I took my bike for the first time and cycled every day while there. Being flat makes cycling a lot easier. I spend the remainder of the winter in St Simons Island in Georgia, which is also flat, so all you have to worry about is the wind direction.
Dave A
Dave, I think we were just up the road from you in Beaufort SC. We were on the water (got a little nervous with every storm). It was very flat easy to ride and when we went crabbing just put the crabs in the bike basket or two! Wonderful winters there, my grandchildren used to swim in the ocean at Christmas!
 
Dave, I think we were just up the road from you in Beaufort SC. We were on the water (got a little nervous with every storm). It was very flat easy to ride and when we went crabbing just put the crabs in the bike basket or two! Wonderful winters there, my grandchildren used to swim in the ocean at Christmas!
I know Beaufort, is that Bow or Bew? not far from Hilton Head and Savannah SC. Not a lot of crabbing on SSI, it's shrimp country...a great place to spend winter, not always warm but no snow...
Dave A
 
How will you spend the 4th July? Do you think of yourself as American? How did you get your green card? Do share your story!

I guess the fireworks are the consequence of the software. But they prompted my questions. Also if you are American living here in the UK, why did you join this board? Do you have family connections to Birmingham UK? Feel free to post wider family or cultural connections too.
Thanks for posting! I had schoolfriends who emigrated to Australia and a college classmate who went to New Zealand. But no-one as far as I'm aware moved to the USA in my family or circle. Good that there Brummies so widely spread.
 
Emigrated to USA in 1958, living and working mostly in NYC and NJ. Retired in Florida now after 37 years in telecommunications. Had my telco initiation as a youth-in-training with the old Post Office Telephones (now BT) in Brum, (born in Handsworth, raised in Perry Barr). Have been back to the U.K. many times and love each visit more and more. If you have any good politicians over there please send them here where our government can't seem to get out of its own way.
Hope to get over there again next year to visit my younger sister in Truro, Cornwall. I stayed there overnight in 1956 at the YHA as a cyclist during a two-week tour of Devon, Cornwall and Somerset. It rained for the entire 14 days but my friend and I loved it.
Everyone stay well...
Pat Downey
 
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