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William Thomas Messenger

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natty

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Hi I am searching for the above born 11.3.1901, inBirmingham I believe his mther was Elizabeth Jane Griffiths and father Edward William Messenger (born approx 1878) and he had a brther born 1910 Leonard Messenger, I cant find a 1901 census for any of them and only a 1911 census for Edward Messenger who seems to be in prison. I can also find WW records for Edward Messenger in 1921. Im trying to find where they were (i assume they were birmingham still) and what they did. Anyone have any tips?
 
There are also a number of other Messenger/Griffiths children listed, most of them appear to die young. However there is an Edwin Messenger b1905. In 1911 he appears to be a patient in hospital and he appears on the 1930 electoral roll with Edward, Eliza and William at 40 Catherine St.
 
Thanks. Ii'm beinning to think that Elizabeth Jane Griffiths may have been noted as Eliza Jane Griffiths. I see that in 1911 Edward William Messenger was in Winson Green according to the census and I have found what I believe t obe their other son Edwin in the workhouse infirmary as you suggest together with, interestingly an Elizabeth Griffiths! Also William Thomas Messenger is in an institute at that time too! How do i find the prison record for Edward? Thanks v much for your help
 
She does appear mostly to be listed as Eliza rather than Elizabeth, though there are a number of Elizabeth/Eliza Jane Griffiths' births registered about the right time.

The prison record is on Ancestry - Birmingham Calendar 0f Prisoners.

Search Edward Messenger, birth listed as 1881. It lists 4 offences for which he was imprisoned (not including the one he's being charged with) and below them it says - and 14 summary convictions for assault.
 
Thanks for your help. Where did you get the information regarding the other children who died young? Thanks
 
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