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Lionel Street
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Bob Davis
Bob Davis
Before he died in 1963 my father worked for a Heating and Ventilation company called How. Would this be the same company? He was the accounts there
Bob Davis
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
In 1968 there was a How-Froggatt Ltd in Lionel Street.\
And 1960 Rosser & Co 16/17 Lionel St.
Welcome Paula. Thank you for adding your memories to this thread. You've given us some nice details of the offices. How times have changed. Imagine imposing a 'no talking' ban in offices these days !
Enjoy the forum Paula. Viv.
Enjoy the forum Paula. Viv.
A couple of images of buildings that were once on Lionel Street.
A D Foulkes
Presumably this building was not only the Head Office, but also the Lionel Lead Works too as shown on this 1926 trade advert.
And this is just entitled New Premises. Perhaps it was a promotional image. It's dated 1897. Viv.
A D Foulkes
Presumably this building was not only the Head Office, but also the Lionel Lead Works too as shown on this 1926 trade advert.
And this is just entitled New Premises. Perhaps it was a promotional image. It's dated 1897. Viv.
How Group was a company that consisted of several smaller firms who specialised in different aspects of the building services industry.
How Froggatt, How Kinnell, How Fire Protection, How Prosser and quite a few others.
They supplied and installed all manner of plant, Heating, Ventilating, Air Conditioning, Fire Protection and so on.
The company was founded by the old man, Cecil How, and run in later years by his sons Peter and Michael.
They were based at a head office in Stone, Staffordshire.
Edit: Additional note, How Group were purchased by Interserve in 1998.
How Froggatt, How Kinnell, How Fire Protection, How Prosser and quite a few others.
They supplied and installed all manner of plant, Heating, Ventilating, Air Conditioning, Fire Protection and so on.
The company was founded by the old man, Cecil How, and run in later years by his sons Peter and Michael.
They were based at a head office in Stone, Staffordshire.
Edit: Additional note, How Group were purchased by Interserve in 1998.
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Bob Davis
Bob Davis
Both Rowland Hill and Rowland Emmet have connections with Lionel Street. There are two blue plaques in the street. Viv.
Sir Roland Hill, reformer: Not a very pretty building but at least it is/was a Post Office Counters building.
Frederick Roland Emett, Punch cartoonist: worked here in the 1920s
Sir Roland Hill, reformer: Not a very pretty building but at least it is/was a Post Office Counters building.
Frederick Roland Emett, Punch cartoonist: worked here in the 1920s
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Rather Off topic, but relevant. In case any are interested in the Hill family , there is a seminar at the Centre for West Midlands history on the Hill family on 16th november. Their seminars are open to anyone and there is not charge. I would have gone, but am in Leeds that day.
Thursday 16 November: Research Seminar. Dan Wale, Birmingham’s Hill family: a philanthropic dynasty?
Lecture Room 3, Arts Building, (Floor 1), 6.30-8.00pm.
Rowland Hill’s work developing the postal service and, his brother, Matthew Davenport Hill’s appointment as Birmingham’s first recorder has been frequently documented. It is less well known that throughout the nineteenth century successive generations of the family influenced developments in the care of destitute and criminal children across three continents. This talk will look at the work of the Hill family.
Thursday 16 November: Research Seminar. Dan Wale, Birmingham’s Hill family: a philanthropic dynasty?
Lecture Room 3, Arts Building, (Floor 1), 6.30-8.00pm.
Rowland Hill’s work developing the postal service and, his brother, Matthew Davenport Hill’s appointment as Birmingham’s first recorder has been frequently documented. It is less well known that throughout the nineteenth century successive generations of the family influenced developments in the care of destitute and criminal children across three continents. This talk will look at the work of the Hill family.
Radiorails
master brummie
The new premises, are I believe, Vivienne, for another company, Faulkes who were furriers.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...oad-street-birmingham.4092/page-4#post-550895
Wow, this is an impressive thread. I’m trying to research a William Wood living at what looks like 15 Court , Lionel Street. It is shown on his son’s birth certificate. It also appears he was a wire worker but the text is difficult to read. Does anyone know anything about number 15 and do you think the word Court could mean it was a back to back in 1847 of is anyone better at reading the handwriting?
Welcome to the forum Brunel. Glad you find the thread interesting. Courts were collections of houses, often originally built in what had been the gardens of larger houses on the street, though these were sometimes demolished and replaced , leaving the smaller houses behind. The buildings in court 15 are shown in purple in the map c1889 below. Earlier maps do not have the same detail. I suspect that the houses in the court, in one of which your ancestor lived, were the four nearest Lionel St, the others being later additions. In 1847 very likjekly theb houses were not numbered, which is why no number is given.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
There are a few references in the Press to Court 15 Lionel Street between 1859-1891, the 1902 Map suggests that the Court had been demolished.
In 1871 two lads from 15 Court were found concealed with the intent of stealing pigeons. They were both 15 years old and had previous convictions. 21 days with hard labour.
In 1871 two lads from 15 Court were found concealed with the intent of stealing pigeons. They were both 15 years old and had previous convictions. 21 days with hard labour.
We have visited the Back to Backs property in Birmingham as run by the National Trust but I’m wondering if the Courts were truly back to backs or were they something similar? I guess we should also bear in mind that in 1847 they weren’t that old and may well have been more desirable than the poverty being experienced by agricultural workers in the country at that time Does anyone here know much about the Courts? I can’t seem to find any information elsewhere but could visit the main library in Birmingham City centre. The relatives we have discovered living at Court 15 disappear in the next census but their son sadly appears as being in the Cottages (children’s homes) attached to the Coleshill workhouse. I guess that says it all. He did, however, learn a trade there as a baker and became independent. So the system may not have been all bad.
The houses in court 15 seem definitely to be back to backs. Some courts were different , having through houses or sometimes houses like back to backs but with a blank wall at the back not backing onto another house. If you want to find out more about back to backs and courts I would recommend Chris Upton's book "Living Back to Back" (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Back-Back-Chris-Upton/dp/1860776558)
Radiorails
master brummie
There is a thread about this place.
National Trust Back To Backs Inge Street
This was a tape recording that is in the Hurst Street back to backs, told by a man who in 1935 was thirteen years old. His mother had no money, and went to a tribunal to be 'means tested', which was enough to put fear into the stoutest of hearts. She took all of her nine children with her...
birminghamhistory.co.uk
Great map here, it helps tremendously.,I have a relative listed as living on Court 15 in 1888, William Mills, he married twice, jessie Docker with whom he had a son who possibly died in child birth and then Kate,(Catherine Molloy), I have no other information other than he worked at a brass foundry.If any one has any details about them or where I could find out more about them, I would be very grateful.
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
see also
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
Two threads about Lionel Street have been merged into this one. Viv.
