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My Great Grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts (nee Parker) was married to Thomas James Hodgetts, a jeweller, in 1879.At the time they were both living in FArm Street. I want to trace the Hodgetts family. Thomas was born 25th January 1858. His father was William Hodgetts a Silversmith Journeyman and his mother was Mary Ann (formerly Griffin) William and Mary Ann married in the parish church, Edgebaston,August 11th 1842, and were both living in Handsworth at the time of their marriage, although I don't have an address. When Thomas was born they were living at Bakers Building, Soho Road. Thomas died December 14th 1879, back of 25 Radnor Street. After this Mary lived at 6 Lees Cottages, Lees Street. She continued to have more children although she does not appear to have married again. The family story is that Thomas' family disowned him when he got Mary pregnant,(she was a servant, presumably in the Hodgetts household. Thomas' parents wouldn't go to his funeral although they allowed a brother to go. My grandmothers father is named on her marriage certificate as Edmund Hodgetts, but I am having trouble locating him. Any information on the Hodgetts family would be greatly appreciated.
 
You say that Thomas died in 1879 but he is on the 1881 census,Thomas James Hodgetts died in 1886 age 28 Birmingham.
Household Record 1881 British Census

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Isaac PARKER Head W Male 56 Birmm, Warwick, England Formerly Chaser
Thomas J. HODGETTS Son In Law M Male 23 Birmm, Warwick, England Gold Jeweller
Mary E. HODGETTS Daur M Female 20 Walsall, Stafford, England Jewellers Wife
Florence E. HODGETTS Grand Dau Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
Thomas J. HODGETTS Grand Son Male 2 m Bham, Warwick, England

Source Information:
Dwelling No 4 Bk 426 Park Road
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England -----------
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Found Mary on 1891 with children youngest 2m living with father Isaac Parker Lees St.

Could find no Edmund Hodgetts but a Edwin Hodgetts born 1896 would be interesting to see if he lived with mary on the 1901 census.
 
Head: HODGETTS, William Neighbors 270309
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
William HODGETTS Head M 21 M Journeyman Spoon Maker Quinton-Wor
Mary Ann HODGETTS Wife M 20 F --- Birmm-War
William HODGETTS Son 1 M --- Birmm-War
Address: 147 Summer Lane, ---
Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2058 Folio: 750 Page: 15 FHL Film: 0332120

1851 Census. This is possibly William and Mary Ann
 
My grandmother was Ada Gibson nee Hodgetts born 1870, her father was Alfred Hodgetts silversmith. She married my grandfather 26th August 1889 at St Stephens parish church. Birmingham. Their address at the time was Asylum Road.(I have the certificate). Eric.
 
Eric have you seen our photographs on our Aston site of Asylum Road ? we can sort you a couple out if you need them
 
Yes thanks John, I keep popping in for a look at the additions. The Asylum Road pics remind me of when I lived for 4 years in Potters Hill in the early fifties.
My grandfather, mentioned in my post above, lived in Bartons Bank, I don't suppose there are any pics of that to be had, I remember as children we used to go to Sunday tea there, the house was right back from the road down a long path, there was a communal lavatory in the yard with a two seater wooden box to sit on which I assume must have been just a cess pit because I can't remember any flushing chain.
Grandad had a damned great Alsatian dog chained up at the top of the garden, it took a chunk out my moms forehead one day when she went too close, when it was off the chain it was a real softie but it used to scare the life out of us when we were sitting at the tea table and it would brush against our legs as it moved around under the table. E.
 
Hi,
I have Hodgetts in my family tree, which is Elizabeth hodgetts b. 1739 in Harbourne, her parents were John & Hannah, she married John Vernon, can anyone help me come forward with this line. 8)
 
My Great Grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts (nee Parker) was married to Thomas James Hodgetts, a jeweller, in 1879.At the time they were both living in FArm Street. I want to trace the Hodgetts family. Thomas was born 25th January 1858. His father was William Hodgetts a Silversmith Journeyman and his mother was Mary Ann (formerly Griffin) William and Mary Ann married in the parish church, Edgebaston,August 11th 1842, and were both living in Handsworth at the time of their marriage, although I don't have an address. When Thomas was born they were living at Bakers Building, Soho Road. Thomas died December 14th 1879, back of 25 Radnor Street. After this Mary lived at 6 Lees Cottages, Lees Street. She continued to have more children although she does not appear to have married again. The family story is that Thomas' family disowned him when he got Mary pregnant,(she was a servant, presumably in the Hodgetts household. Thomas' parents wouldn't go to his funeral although they allowed a brother to go. My grandmothers father is named on her marriage certificate as Edmund Hodgetts, but I am having trouble locating him. Any information on the Hodgetts family would be greatly appreciated.


Ann Davidson, the original poster. Did you ever get anywhere with this subject?

My research of my own Hodgetts Family has led me to the name Albert Edmund Hodgetts. He was Mary Ann nee Parker's (she is my Gt Gt Grandmother) 7th child. I did find him on the 1911 census aged 15 living with his mother and other siblings on Musgrave Road, Birmingham, but I have been unable to find out anything about him after 1911. I am hoping that you receive word of my interest given that it is seven years since your original posting.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Philip
 
Hi Philip

Albert Edmund Hodgetts lived at 52 Musgrave Road up till 1960.

1912 - Mary Hodgetts
1920 - Albert Edmund and Mary Hodgetts, and William Caldicutt
1922 - Mary & Albert Edmund Hodgetts
1925 - Mary, Albert Edmund and Alfred Hodgetts
1927 - Albert Edmund Hodgetts
1930 - Albert Edmund & Violet Hodgetts (Albert appears to have married a Violet Stoddard in 1924 Bham) & Ernest & Annie Baker
1935 - Albert Edmund & Violet Hodgetts
1939 - 1960 As above
1965 - Violet Hodgetts
There is a death for Albert E Hodgetts in 1963 Bham AMJ 9c 510 aged 67

Suzanne
 
Wow, thank you Suzanne. That has given me a lot more information to research. I am stunned that 52 Musgrave Road was in use by the family for so long! Shame that the original housing has gone. I'd have loved to have seen the original house. I'm guessing red brick terrace.

Thanks again

Philip
 
Certainly looks like a brick terrace, towards the bottom of musgrave road near Lodge Road , on the west side on this c 1889 map, here marked in red

map_c_1889_musgrave_road_showing_prob__no_52.jpg
 
It has been quite some years since I last visited this forum as Hhodgetts above. Since then a great deal of water has gone under the bridge for me and us all. I have continued my family research though, and this is currently the information I have regarding my 2 x great grandmother Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts nee Parker as discussed above.

On the 1911 census she stated that she had 13 children 6 of which died. I managed to track down all of her 14 children! I think she must have forgotten one of them because 7 died.

She had her first 4 children with husband Thomas James Hodgetts. They were;

1, Florence Elizabeth 1879 - 1936. 2, my 1 x gt grandfather Thomas James 1881 - 1945. 3 Arthur William 1882 - 1890, 4 Harriet Emily 1884 - 1900.

Her husband Thomas James Hodgetts died 27 Jan 1886 age 28. Today we'd call it an 'congenital heart defect'.

Mary Elizabeth's next batch of children were attributed to an Edmund Hodgetts who would have died circa 1895.
I can find no evidence to support his existence! The children attributed to him were;

5 Elizabeth 1887 - 1887. 6 Edith Isabella 1888 - 1963. 7 Maud Mary 1891 - 1981. 8 Arthur Edmund. 9 Ernest 1893 - 1893.
10 Beatrice Hope 1895 - 1944.

Child 5 Elizabeth's birth certificate has no fathers name on it, though the child was later attributed to said Edmund.
Child 6 Edith stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.
Child 7 Maud Mary stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.
Child 10 Beatrice Hope stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.

I can find no evidence of a marriage between Mary Elizabeth nee Parker and an Edmund Hodgetts.
Edmund died 1895.

Mary Elizabeth's next group of children were attributed to Albert Hodgetts.

11 Albert Edmund 1896 - 1963. 12 Ethel 1897 - 1897. 13 Frederick 1898 - 1900. 14 Alfred William 1902 - 1940.

11 Albert Edmund stated on his marriage cert that his father was Albert (deceased) no profession stated.

I can find no evidence to support the existence of the above Albert Hodgetts. He died 1924. I will of course continue looking.

We then arrive at the end of Mary Elizabeth's life. She died 20 Nov 1925 in the Lee Bridge Tavern (built 1919) she collapsed with
a rupture between the lower chambers of heart. Poor love. At least it was quick. She was only 64 years of age.

Interestingly her son, child 11 Albert Edmund, was with his mother when she died, and he registered her death. He stated that his mother was a widow of an Edward Hodgetts! Given her 3rd husband Albert died in 1924, I am not sure she'd have had time to remarry and then be widowed again by the end of her life. Who knows? Again, thus far I have been unable to prove the existence of her 4th husband Edward. I think all three of her subsequent husbands were fictitious to legitimise her children.

An amazing lady. I think she had a hard life. There was no welfare state to help her back then, so after being widowed the first time, I have no idea if she was just lonely or a professional lady of the night / escort or just helping lonely men for a fee. I am not judging her nor casting aspertions. She had her reasons. It was a hard life.

She was buried at Witton Cemetery 25 Nov 1925. I only just found that out in the last few days, so I haven't as yet had chance to go visit her grave.

I'm guessing by now that the original poster Ann Davison is no longer with us. I got no response last time I replied, but I hope other descendants of Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts nee Parker find this information useful. It has taken years to build the timeline for her and unravel all the paperwork and various facts and join the dots. You know how it is. I just wish there was a family member left that remembers her that I could ask about her and learn what kind of a person she was. I cannot image what it must have been like for her losing 7 children.

She is made mention of in a number of family trees online, but of course it is so complicated that none have actually managed to make sense of all the data children and husbands. I do hope others looking for her, find this particular subject thread.

My last task here is to add an image of Mary herself. RIP grandma, you and your children are not forgotten xx

Best wishes

Philip
 

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It has been quite some years since I last visited this forum as Hhodgetts above. Since then a great deal of water has gone under the bridge for me and us all. I have continued my family research though, and this is currently the information I have regarding my 2 x great grandmother Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts nee Parker as discussed above.

On the 1911 census she stated that she had 13 children 6 of which died. I managed to track down all of her 14 children! I think she must have forgotten one of them because 7 died.

She had her first 4 children with husband Thomas James Hodgetts. They were;

1, Florence Elizabeth 1879 - 1936. 2, my 1 x gt grandfather Thomas James 1881 - 1945. 3 Arthur William 1882 - 1890, 4 Harriet Emily 1884 - 1900.

Her husband Thomas James Hodgetts died 27 Jan 1886 age 28. Today we'd call it an 'congenital heart defect'.

Mary Elizabeth's next batch of children were attributed to an Edmund Hodgetts who would have died circa 1895.
I can find no evidence to support his existence! The children attributed to him were;

5 Elizabeth 1887 - 1887. 6 Edith Isabella 1888 - 1963. 7 Maud Mary 1891 - 1981. 8 Arthur Edmund. 9 Ernest 1893 - 1893.
10 Beatrice Hope 1895 - 1944.

Child 5 Elizabeth's birth certificate has no fathers name on it, though the child was later attributed to said Edmund.
Child 6 Edith stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.
Child 7 Maud Mary stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.
Child 10 Beatrice Hope stated on her marriage cert that her father was Edmund Hodgetts (deceased) Engineer.

I can find no evidence of a marriage between Mary Elizabeth nee Parker and an Edmund Hodgetts.
Edmund died 1895.

Mary Elizabeth's next group of children were attributed to Albert Hodgetts.

11 Albert Edmund 1896 - 1963. 12 Ethel 1897 - 1897. 13 Frederick 1898 - 1900. 14 Alfred William 1902 - 1940.

11 Albert Edmund stated on his marriage cert that his father was Albert (deceased) no profession stated.

I can find no evidence to support the existence of the above Albert Hodgetts. He died 1924. I will of course continue looking.

We then arrive at the end of Mary Elizabeth's life. She died 20 Nov 1925 in the Lee Bridge Tavern (built 1919) she collapsed with
a rupture between the lower chambers of heart. Poor love. At least it was quick. She was only 64 years of age.

Interestingly her son, child 11 Albert Edmund, was with his mother when she died, and he registered her death. He stated that his mother was a widow of an Edward Hodgetts! Given her 3rd husband Albert died in 1924, I am not sure she'd have had time to remarry and then be widowed again by the end of her life. Who knows? Again, thus far I have been unable to prove the existence of her 4th husband Edward. I think all three of her subsequent husbands were fictitious to legitimise her children.

An amazing lady. I think she had a hard life. There was no welfare state to help her back then, so after being widowed the first time, I have no idea if she was just lonely or a professional lady of the night / escort or just helping lonely men for a fee. I am not judging her nor casting aspertions. She had her reasons. It was a hard life.

She was buried at Witton Cemetery 25 Nov 1925. I only just found that out in the last few days, so I haven't as yet had chance to go visit her grave.

I'm guessing by now that the original poster Ann Davison is no longer with us. I got no response last time I replied, but I hope other descendants of Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts nee Parker find this information useful. It has taken years to build the timeline for her and unravel all the paperwork and various facts and join the dots. You know how it is. I just wish there was a family member left that remembers her that I could ask about her and learn what kind of a person she was. I cannot image what it must have been like for her losing 7 children.

She is made mention of in a number of family trees online, but of course it is so complicated that none have actually managed to make sense of all the data children and husbands. I do hope others looking for her, find this particular subject thread.

My last task here is to add an image of Mary herself. RIP grandma, you and your children are not forgotten xx

Best wishes

Philip
hi phil thats quite a family story...will take a better look at it later and thanks for the photo

lyn
 
Hi Lyn

If during your research you come across any glaring errors, please do let me know! I prefer truth and fact for my Family Tree, I don't do it for my ego.

As I mentioned above I bought a digital image of Elizabeth Hodgetts birth certificate 1887, and no father is made mention of on that document.

I also ordered a digitial image of Maud Mary's birth cert 1891, but there has been a problem with the GRO which gave me the wrong image.
That is currently being resolved for me.

I have just ordered a digital image of the birth cert for Arthur Edmund Hodgetts 1892, and again, there is no mention of a father on his certificate!

I do know that I have one Hodgetts cousin now in her 90s, I need to get in touch with her and see what if anything she might know about her grandmother Mary Elizabeth Hodgetts nee Parker. Mary of course died in 1925, and this cousin of mine was born in 1933. I don't hold out much hope of finding anything out, but one has to try eh?

Enjoy your research.

Philip

PS Are you also descended from Mary Elizabeth? I am curious as to your interest that's all.
 
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hi phil...i will try and run through what you have found to see if i can find any obvious errors and i am hoping a few of our other members can also help out...like you i would rather get it right than follow the wrong trail

no i dont have a personal interest i am just interested in anyones family :D and like other members we do not mind helping out..however i do think its a good idea of yours to contact your cousin because you never know what she maybe able to tell you

lyn
 
The naming of the fathers for the later children seems to be either the forename of the real father with the mother's surname or the forename just being made up. Both common occurrences when a woman had lost her husband but subsequently had children.

The consistency and then the change between the second group and the last group would perhaps suggest they were real people that Mary took up with but just surmising.

It would be interesting to see if the Y-dna of any male line descendants of Albert and Alfred is the same.
 
Hi all.....

Another point of interest about Mary Elizabeth Parker that I know you will enjoy learning.

Her mother was Hope Newman. Hope was an aunty to the two Newman brothers (Edwin and Alfred) that set up the Newman Brothers Coffin Works in the city! The sons of Hope's brother Alfred Newman 1821 - 1898.

It has been thrilling to learn about that family connection. I did make arrangements a couple of years ago to visit the factory, but my plans were torpedoed by 2 crashes on the M6 either one either side of the Gravelly Hill Intersection. It took me 90 minutes to cover one mile and then exit the motorway, at which point I had long missed my appointment with the museum. I really ought to get my act together and get myself down there with my lil olde dad! He'd love it.

Philip
 
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