oldMohawk
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I would be interested in seeing the Bell Inn pic on the Birmingham Rd ...
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Great Barr Cottage
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michaelj68
proper brummie kid
Birmingham Rd looking towards Great Barr the Bell Inn on the right dated 1914-20.I would be interested in seeing the Bell Inn pic on the Birmingham Rd ...
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
A nice photo of the Bell Inn and I can see the tram track which extended from Walsall to the inn and definitely 10 bar telephone poles.
I have problems with the Cottage photo description.
The view at the end of the road
This would need a map to be similar to this.
A map dated 1914 and if the camera was in position marked, Pages Lane would have to extend across (as marked) to match the cottage pic.
Radiorails
master brummie
I expect my observation has been made before in this thread, however, in case it was nt I will say that the road is wide - for the times of the photo - and must be a major route if the telegraph poles are any guide.
Williamstreeter
master brummie
As a child and in my teens I roamed over Great Barr and knew Chapel Lane well and never saw 10 bar telephone poles in the lane. I would have noticed them and the 40 copper wires they would have been carrying ...
What date was the original pic though oM, where you as canny then in those days ?
Williamstreeter
master brummie
On the wrong side of the road though the poles I mean , plus there is a metal lampost just this side of the Bell
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
According to post#184 the date of the pic is c1910. With regard to Chapel Lane I often walked along it in the late 1940s sometimes after being chased out of the hospital grounds when we all used to play by the pools. In the 1950s I probably cycled along Chapel Lane once or twice a week training. With regard to telephone poles and wires have a look at my old post below ... why I tend to notice them in pics ..
When I was very little I remember walking up Goodway Rd with mum to the Kingstanding Rd and looking up at the telephone wires which are shown in the pic below, the sky seemed full of them. On each pole were 14 cross bars each with 4 insulators presumably resulting in 56 wires. Looking at them now I should imagine that getting to the top wires on the poles would have been quite difficult without snagging the lower wires. Other pics on the forum show that these poles had been removed by the 1960s and maybe much earlier. Perhaps the telephone engineers in the thread are too young to have ever worked on them ...
michaelj68
proper brummie kid
I agree with you the description on the photo i posted doesn't fit with the map,my theory right or wrong is the photo was taken by the Old School House and the end of the road is a fork and not a T junction with Pages Lane to the right and Birmingham Rd to the left.If the author of the book is right about the roads it would have to be that way round with ifs and buts i know.We know Birmingham Rd is a good candidate because of the telegraph poles,the debate goes on.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I have not been able to find any place on the Birmingham Rd matching the road layout and buildings positions as seen in the cottage photo. I have been able to find a location on the Queslett Rd at the Booths Lane junction by Brook Cottage which matches the road geometry of the photo but the chapel like building next to the cottage does not show on the maps. I notice I had a close look at this location long ago earlier in the thread ...
michaelj68
proper brummie kid
I have not been able to find any place on the Birmingham Rd matching the road layout and buildings positions as seen in the cottage photo. I have been able to find a location on the Queslett Rd at the Booths Lane junction by Brook Cottage which matches the road geometry of the photo but the chapel like building next to the cottage does not show on the maps. I notice I had a close look at this location long ago earlier in the thread ...
I've found a photo on Hamstead back in the day which looks like the cottage,the photo is titled Scott Arms Corner c1908,one of the comments with it says it looks like the photo was taken somewhere near the pub and looking up Birmingham Rd,the buildings are on the map,it's the end of the road which is the problem,is it anything to do with the camera lens ? the debate goes on.I have not been able to find any place on the Birmingham Rd matching the road layout and buildings positions as seen in the cottage photo. I have been able to find a location on the Queslett Rd at the Booths Lane junction by Brook Cottage which matches the road geometry of the photo but the chapel like building next to the cottage does not show on the maps. I notice I had a close look at this location long ago earlier in the thread ...
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
That looks like the same location. The old triangle road signs, the ten bar poles, dormer windows on the building. We just have to work out which corner of the Scott Arms junction it is.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
The building in front of the Beacon Cinema in this pic dated 1936 looks like the near right building in your pic.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Another view of the corner building and features on it match the building in #192. Building work on the Beacon Cinema can be seen behind the building which dates the pic mid 1930s.
Matching features on the building and a foreshortening make the view up the Birmingham Rd seem to have trees going across in the distance. I think that is where the road veers right by Pages Lane junction.
Matching features on the building and a foreshortening make the view up the Birmingham Rd seem to have trees going across in the distance. I think that is where the road veers right by Pages Lane junction.
Radiorails
master brummie
The photo in post 192 certainly has the appearance the cottages, road and warning sign of the original post. I hope this is a thread search that has had a solution.
michaelj68
proper brummie kid
I totally agree with you that can be the only conclusion
I totally agree this can be the only conclusion,the description on the photo was correct,i think we've cracked it.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
It's strange how old photos make distant objects look nearer. It wasn't until I recognised the other building in your photo in #192 that I would have even thought it was so near to the Scott Arms crossing. And the caption in T.J.H.Price's book was correct ... just a pity it did not say near Scott Arms ...
A map dated 1914 and red dot marks possible position of photographer
Aerial view today
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michaelj68
proper brummie kid
Excellent work
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
Congratulations to you all, it has been an enthralling thread and all I can now say is....next.
Bob
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Now back to the Inner Circle.
Great work everyone, been a tough nut to crack. Viv.
Eric Gibson
master brummie
And I'm still not sure.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Reference a post in another thread ...
If so then you could be correct. The building faintly showing through the trees could be the Methodist Chapel.
When I look again at the cottage photo I seem to see a faint line in the grass which could be Sundial Lane and I fancy that I can see buttresses on the front face of the chapel-like building. Maybe I'm seeing things I want to see.
Looking at the pic in #194 of this thread the white building beyond the corner building could be the building marked 'P' on the map.
Looking at the map in #198 in this Great Barr Cottage thread I had marked a building as the cottage but maybe the cottage was the building nearer Sundial Lane marked with 'P'.
If so then you could be correct. The building faintly showing through the trees could be the Methodist Chapel.
When I look again at the cottage photo I seem to see a faint line in the grass which could be Sundial Lane and I fancy that I can see buttresses on the front face of the chapel-like building. Maybe I'm seeing things I want to see.
Looking at the pic in #194 of this thread the white building beyond the corner building could be the building marked 'P' on the map.
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Reference Michaelj68's quote in post#204
Looking at the view in post#1 with this linked pic in the foreshortened distance is the bend to the right in Birmingham Rd by Pages Lane. Somewhere on the right must be Sundial Lane probably very small back in 1908 and there appears to be a chapel like building where the lane is.
This image is a link to post#1
A crop from the above pic with a buttress and dark and lighter roof areas marked.
The view today with the buttress marked and the light and dark rows of tiles.
Looking at the view in post#1 with this linked pic in the foreshortened distance is the bend to the right in Birmingham Rd by Pages Lane. Somewhere on the right must be Sundial Lane probably very small back in 1908 and there appears to be a chapel like building where the lane is.
This image is a link to post#1
A crop from the above pic with a buttress and dark and lighter roof areas marked.
The view today with the buttress marked and the light and dark rows of tiles.
Radiorails
master brummie
I don't believe that is the church in the original photo. The photo shows a white structure. There was some debate much earlier in this thread about churches being built and others knocked down.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Reference Michaelj68's quote in post#204
Looking at the view in post#1 with this linked pic in the foreshortened distance is the bend to the right in Birmingham Rd by Pages Lane. Somewhere on the right must be Sundial Lane probably very small back in 1908 and there appears to be a chapel like building where the lane is.
This image is a link to post#1
A crop from the above pic with a buttress and dark and lighter roof areas marked.
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The view today with the buttress marked and the light and dark rows of tiles.
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The tip of the buttress is in line with the first set of light tiles on the side of the Church. A case could be made that you can just see this in the original.
Radiorails
master brummie
I am unable to date the church at present.
