malt shovel smith st hockley

[Astoness]

hi folks would anyone have a pic of this pub please...im sure i had one but cant seem to locate it

many thanks

lyn

 

[Phil]

Lyn

I have no knowledge of this pub, but as Smith St was not a very big street I was wondering if this photo could in fact be the Malt Shovel as I wouldn't have thought there were many pubs in Smith St. This pub is tagged Smith Street Hockley c1912 but there is no name.

 

[Astoness]

phil snap i have just found that pic in my files....again no name to pub but im just wondering if we could narrow it down by having a map of smith st showing no 103 as that is the number i have been given for the malt shovel...if there is an entry to the left of the pub i would think that could solve it...
cant quite make out the landlords name above the door
thanks phil

lyn

 

[Phil]

Lyn

As far as I can make out 103 was next door to the school, how long ago was it a pub, because I went back to 1903 before I found it even listed as a beer retailer. I think the pub in the photo has more chance of being the Queens Head on the corner of Hockley Street.

 

[Astoness]

phil i agree with you i think its the queen head...the malt shovel was listed in kellys 1880 at 103 as beer retailer but a marriage cert for the same year lists it as the malt shovel...thanks phil...actually if you go to the smith st thread there is a pic dated 1961 and you can see the school but no pub im afraid...demo had started by then..

lyn

 

[Scarlet]

I have my great grandfather, David Gardner, listed on the 1881 census as being a publican his address was 103 Smith Street and I'm not sure where I got the information from but I've always believed it was The Malt Shovel. I've searched for photos but not found any.

 

[Astoness]

hi scarlet..in 2015 i posted some photos of smith st hockley that i found at the library including one of the malt shovel..so if you go to the smith st hockley thread they will be there but i will post the one of the pub on this thread

lyn

 

[mikejee]

The 1891 census confirms that no 103 was called the Malt shovel. It disappears from Kellys between the 1912 & 1913 editions

 

[Scarlet]

Thanks Lyn, great photo

 

[Scarlet]

The 1891 census confirms that no 103 was called the Malt shovel. It disappears from Kellys between the 1912 & 1913 editions

Do you know who was at the Malt Shovel in 1891 mikejee, I lost track of my great grandfather for that year, my great grandmother died and all the children had married and gone their own ways by then.

 

[mikejee]

The census lists Frederick W. Pallet and family

 

[Scarlet]

The census lists Frederick W. Pallet and family

Thanks mikejee, I was wondering if it might have been someone linked to the family as there were several different people living with them throughout the years, but it seems not.